Those of you with kids in both AAP and gen ed...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my fear. That my child will be completely neglected in gen ed. But she doesn’t realistically belong in full time AAP either. Are you supplementing?

Yes she does.
Trust me. In the current model, of your child will be high-performing in gen ed, she will get a muuuuuuuch better education and much more attention from the teacher if she is in AAP instead of remaining in the gen ed class twiddling her thumbs as the teacher focuses all his/her time on assisting students who are 2-3 grades below benchmark.
The spectrum is very, very wide in the typical gen ed classroom, as opposed to when we were kids, OP. If your child can do the work, but it will maybe be a bit of a struggle for her, you won’t regret pushing to get her into it

Sorry, no. Those 2-3 below benchmark kids will be pulled out for enrichment/extra work. The variety in the "gen ed" is actually not quite as wide as you suggest. At least it wasn't in our school. AAP may offer some additional curriculum, mostly in math, but by MS and HS it doesn't really matter. My kid killed MS honors math and is set up for an advance HS track. She was a "gen ed" kid. There many like her, too.

lots of schools start advanced math in 3rd anyway. If you aren't at a title I school, there won't be much different between AAP and a gen ed kid taking advanced math

Lots of schools don’t start advanced math until 5th grade.

That should infuriate parents, especially parents with Gen Ed students who excel in math

It does

aso in AAP thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my fear. That my child will be completely neglected in gen ed. But she doesn’t realistically belong in full time AAP either. Are you supplementing?

Yes she does.
Trust me. In the current model, of your child will be high-performing in gen ed, she will get a muuuuuuuch better education and much more attention from the teacher if she is in AAP instead of remaining in the gen ed class twiddling her thumbs as the teacher focuses all his/her time on assisting students who are 2-3 grades below benchmark.
The spectrum is very, very wide in the typical gen ed classroom, as opposed to when we were kids, OP. If your child can do the work, but it will maybe be a bit of a struggle for her, you won’t regret pushing to get her into it

Sorry, no. Those 2-3 below benchmark kids will be pulled out for enrichment/extra work. The variety in the "gen ed" is actually not quite as wide as you suggest. At least it wasn't in our school. AAP may offer some additional curriculum, mostly in math, but by MS and HS it doesn't really matter. My kid killed MS honors math and is set up for an advance HS track. She was a "gen ed" kid. There many like her, too.

As a teacher I can tell you this varies. Widely. It’s excellent that your child was able to thrive in gen ed. when it sounds like she could have functioned quite nicely alongside the AAP-identified students. In your case, it didn’t seem to be a detriment to her overall advancement through the system. That is not always the way it goes. I usually advocate for kids on the bubble to get pushed into AAP in elementary because I do believe the research that suggests that kids —even the ones performing at the higher levels—benefit from that scenario.

So as a teacher you admit the system is wonky and who ends up in AAP is pretty random (from the bright kids)?

[Anonymous]

The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. This is my fear. That my child will be completely neglected in gen ed. But she doesn’t realistically belong in full time AAP either. Are you supplementing?

Yes she does.
Trust me. In the current model, of your child will be high-performing in gen ed, she will get a muuuuuuuch better education and much more attention from the teacher if she is in AAP instead of remaining in the gen ed class twiddling her thumbs as the teacher focuses all his/her time on assisting students who are 2-3 grades below benchmark.
The spectrum is very, very wide in the typical gen ed classroom, as opposed to when we were kids, OP. If your child can do the work, but it will maybe be a bit of a struggle for her, you won’t regret pushing to get her into it

Funny, this is the same complaint of parents whose kids actually need to be in AAP -- that there are underperforming students that shouldn't be in AAP slowing the whole class down.

Yes but typically they aren’t “slowing the whole class down” by 2-3 grade levels!

This right here. If the kid got in, they should stay. Especially after this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

advanced LA won't happen. Too many kids would be crossing paths in the hallway to move up, and down for that class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

so we should get rid of local because parents want to get rid of centers? I'm there the logical leap from A to B makes sense in some twisted way

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

so we should get rid of local because parents want to get rid of centers? I'm there the logical leap from A to B makes sense in some twisted way

Centers are the opposite of segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

[Anonymous]

If gets stayed at the local school vs. center, there would be no more principal placement so the argument that parents want it so their kids can get into without qualifying makes no sense. The reason principal placement happens is bc level IV kids flee to centers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If gets stayed at the local school vs. center, there would be no more principal placement so the argument that parents want it so their kids can get into without qualifying makes no sense. The reason principal placement happens is bc level IV kids flee to centers.

*kids not gets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

so we should get rid of local because parents want to get rid of centers? I'm there the logical leap from A to B makes sense in some twisted way

Centers are the opposite of segregation.

how many gen ed kids are in LA classes with level IV kids at centers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If gets stayed at the local school vs. center, there would be no more principal placement so the argument that parents want it so their kids can get into without qualifying makes no sense. The reason principal placement happens is bc level IV kids flee to centers.

Wrong, it would be all principal placement. No selection board. I.e. a hot mess.