Those of you with kids in both AAP and gen ed...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

so we should get rid of local because parents want to get rid of centers? I'm there the logical leap from A to B makes sense in some twisted way

Centers are the opposite of segregation.

how many gen ed kids are in LA classes with level IV kids at centers?

None because those kids are not in AAP. However the classes are all more diverse than the local level 4 classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

Not really. Some yes, especially at the schools that are really lacking in racial and socioeconomic diversity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If gets stayed at the local school vs. center, there would be no more principal placement so the argument that parents want it so their kids can get into without qualifying makes no sense. The reason principal placement happens is bc level IV kids flee to centers.

Wrong, it would be all principal placement. No selection board. I.e. a hot mess.

Where are you getting this from? Are they really saying that they would do away with a central eligibility committee? My understanding is that it would be the same process (which is jacked up as we have read in this thread) of selection but kids stay put. No more centers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

so we should get rid of local because parents want to get rid of centers? I'm there the logical leap from A to B makes sense in some twisted way

Centers are the opposite of segregation.

how many gen ed kids are in LA classes with level IV kids at centers?

None because those kids are not in AAP. However the classes are all more diverse than the local level 4 classes.

you might want to read the county report on level IV- it's anything but diverse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

Not really. Some yes, especially at the schools that are really lacking in racial and socioeconomic diversity.

are those schools more lacking in socioeconomic diversity than level IV centers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

Not really. Some yes, especially at the schools that are really lacking in racial and socioeconomic diversity.

You know this because??? Or is it just personal experience with one school? bc some parents do not like the dynamics of centers. The gen ed vs AAP. Or they have one kid who will not meet AAP criteria and stay put.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

Not really. Some yes, especially at the schools that are really lacking in racial and socioeconomic diversity.

are those schools more lacking in socioeconomic diversity than level IV centers?

In my part of the the county, the poor part, yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

Not really. Some yes, especially at the schools that are really lacking in racial and socioeconomic diversity.

are those schools more lacking in socioeconomic diversity than level IV centers?

In my part of the the county, the poor part, yes.

Funny I live in the poor part. The center is the only thing preventing the school from getting title I status and the resources it needs for the gen Ed population

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

Except for all the parents that aren't happy. And want to get rid of centers...

so we should get rid of local because parents want to get rid of centers? I'm there the logical leap from A to B makes sense in some twisted way

Centers are the opposite of segregation.

how many gen ed kids are in LA classes with level IV kids at centers?

Very few because there are leveled reading groups in the individual classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The PP would not be the first Teacher to post that the AAP admissions process is wonky. It is and anyone who has been through it knows that it is wonky.

The problem is FCPS does not have a uniform policy for services for advanced kids.

1) Every school should have a full time AART paid for by the County.
2) Every school should have Advanced Math that starts in third grade
3) Every school should have Level III pull outs that occur weekly and are the same length of time (easier done if number 1 happens)
4) Every school should have a Local Level IV (I believe that this is happening)

I would love to see an Advanced LA class, like Advanced Math, for the kids who are advanced in LA.

Instead we have some schools starting Advanced Math in 3 and others in 5 and others in 6. Level III pull outs are regular at some schools and haphazard at others. Some schools have a dedicated AART and others share an AART with 1 or 2 other schools. It is a giant mess leading to parents at some schools feeling like the only way to get their kid the necessary LA or Math education is to get their kid into AAP even though they are at grade level or only a little ahead in the other field. Those kids can thrive but some of them cannot maintain the pace of AAP in their weaker field and it slows down the AAP class.

At the same time, that kid who is advanced in one area would be bored to tears in the gen ed class in their area of strength so you can understand why a parent would want their kid in the advanced class.

I am not sure why the County leaves the running of Level III and Level IV programs to the discretion of Principals instead of having a unified program across the County.

Uh, this is why local level 4 is bad and we should just keep finding centers.

parents at local schools are happy, not everyone wants their kid segregated in a center

They’re happy because their kids are getting “AAP” when they don’t qualify to get into the center. That’s what happens at local level 4–principal placement. And that’s why it varies so widely by school.

plenty of committee placed kids are in local

Not really. Some yes, especially at the schools that are really lacking in racial and socioeconomic diversity.

are those schools more lacking in socioeconomic diversity than level IV centers?

In my part of the the county, the poor part, yes.

Funny I live in the poor part. The center is the only thing preventing the school from getting title I status and the resources it needs for the gen Ed population

It’s also the only thing keeping highly educated middle class families in the public schools down here. You can always move into the neighborhood with the title 1 school across the way. Then send to private with the savings on housing. That’s what a lot of people do if the center doesn’t accept their kids. Local level 4 at the Title 1 school isn’t going to solve that problem.

[Anonymous]

We deferred for our son because we did not want to move to the Center and we don’t have LLIV. There are a good number of parents who choose not to move.

[Anonymous]

So if my kids are in level 3 services plus advanced math and we are supplementing, they will be ok in MS and HS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if my kids are in level 3 services plus advanced math and we are supplementing, they will be ok in MS and HS?

OMG. Of course.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. So in summary-in ES, it makes a huge difference. MS-not as much. HS-not at all. Supplement in ES.

School is huge too. An ES that has kids not go to centers and mixes local level IV kids with gen ed kids is better than being gen ed at a center

I feel for gen Ed kids at centers.