Would you support a hard shutdown option for two to four weeks to crush the virus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait, my idea to open grocery stores with limited hours is autocratic and undemocratic, but the voice of reason is to outlaw diet coke and burgers?! Wow, and why do we need school to open? For this kind of logic?

Your idea is stupid bc it will lead to packed stores or people not being allowed to get food.

Ok, sure. Keep stores open from 6am till 8 am, like we did. Why did we need liquor stores open? Everything was done half-ass. We had fast food open, restaurants for take away, meaning all those people kept coming to work. Italy kept grocery stores, pharmacies, and banks open. Right now, we are out of options because we are too stupid. We can't work because kids can't go to school, we can't work because people will we either sick or dead. We have accomplished to kill the economy and to make the virus worse than ever. And we tried the exact opposite. So, don't know, surely there is an expert who knows better than me and you what we should do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait, my idea to open grocery stores with limited hours is autocratic and undemocratic, but the voice of reason is to outlaw diet coke and burgers?! Wow, and why do we need school to open? For this kind of logic?

Your idea is stupid bc it will lead to packed stores or people not being allowed to get food.

It was just an example that we ought to do something to limit exposure. Nobody needs that many grocery stores open all the time. I would be in favor of masks everywhere as the main solution. But, we effed it up so much that we might need another lockdown just to be able to go back to tracing.

Fantasyland...there are tens of millions infected in this country, if not already a hundred million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait, my idea to open grocery stores with limited hours is autocratic and undemocratic, but the voice of reason is to outlaw diet coke and burgers?! Wow, and why do we need school to open? For this kind of logic?

Your idea is stupid bc it will lead to packed stores or people not being allowed to get food.

Ok, sure. Keep stores open from 6am till 8 am, like we did. Why did we need liquor stores open? Everything was done half-ass. We had fast food open, restaurants for take away, meaning all those people kept coming to work. Italy kept grocery stores, pharmacies, and banks open. Right now, we are out of options because we are too stupid. We can't work because kids can't go to school, we can't work because people will we either sick or dead. We have accomplished to kill the economy and to make the virus worse than ever. And we tried the exact opposite. So, don't know, surely there is an expert who knows better than me and you what we should do.

Everyone is sick or dead? More like mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait, my idea to open grocery stores with limited hours is autocratic and undemocratic, but the voice of reason is to outlaw diet coke and burgers?! Wow, and why do we need school to open? For this kind of logic?

Your idea is stupid bc it will lead to packed stores or people not being allowed to get food.

Ok, sure. Keep stores open from 6am till 8 am, like we did. Why did we need liquor stores open? Everything was done half-ass. We had fast food open, restaurants for take away, meaning all those people kept coming to work. Italy kept grocery stores, pharmacies, and banks open. Right now, we are out of options because we are too stupid. We can't work because kids can't go to school, we can't work because people will we either sick or dead. We have accomplished to kill the economy and to make the virus worse than ever. And we tried the exact opposite. So, don't know, surely there is an expert who knows better than me and you what we should do.

Everyone is sick or dead? More like mentally ill.

No one said everyone. Go watch the orange, it gets lonely without your admiration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait, my idea to open grocery stores with limited hours is autocratic and undemocratic, but the voice of reason is to outlaw diet coke and burgers?! Wow, and why do we need school to open? For this kind of logic?

Your idea is stupid bc it will lead to packed stores or people not being allowed to get food.

Ok, sure. Keep stores open from 6am till 8 am, like we did. Why did we need liquor stores open? Everything was done half-ass. We had fast food open, restaurants for take away, meaning all those people kept coming to work. Italy kept grocery stores, pharmacies, and banks open. Right now, we are out of options because we are too stupid. We can't work because kids can't go to school, we can't work because people will we either sick or dead. We have accomplished to kill the economy and to make the virus worse than ever. And we tried the exact opposite. So, don't know, surely there is an expert who knows better than me and you what we should do.

Everyone is sick or dead? More like mentally ill.

No one said everyone. Go watch the orange, it gets lonely without your admiration.

You said “ we can't work because people will we either sick or dead.”

Where has this happened?

[Anonymous]

yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: No. We did this before (someone is going to rush in and say it "wasn't the same", but it was close as we are going to get), and it doesn't "crush the virus". Just delays or pauses it for a bit.

Real talk but no one on DCUM will listen

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:False premise. It wouldn't work. Even places that are small and isolated that supposedly "eliminated" the virus still have some cases (see, e.g., New Zealand), New Zealand is an island, so closing their borders is easy; they'll be hit harder, if anything, the moment they reopen their borders. They've already gotten dozens of cases from the few people they've let into the country from outside.

Hong Kong supposedly had eliminated the virus in June, and now they're locking back down with fears of uncontrolled spread.

https://news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-leader-says-coronavirus-critical-100-cases-085636893.html

But the city had impressive success in tackling the disease, all but ending local transmissions by late June.

However, in the last two weeks, infections have spiked once more and doctors fear the new outbreak is now spreading undetected in the densely packed territory of 7.5 million people.

On Sunday chief executive Carrie Lam said more than 500 infections had been confirmed in the last fortnight alone, nearly a third since the outbreak began.

Exactly!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No. We did this before (someone is going to rush in and say it "wasn't the same", but it was close as we are going to get), and it doesn't "crush the virus". Just delays or pauses it for a bit.

Real talk but no one on DCUM will listen

Truth. This forum makes me despair for the critical thinking capacity of the American public.

I do think it's just magical thinking. They want to believe that there is something "smart" that we could have done to stop this. It reminds me of every time someone posts about a child that dies in some horrible accident and there are page and pages of posts blaming the parents and explaining why this would never happen to them or *their* child, because they're too *smart.* They don't want to accept that sh*t happens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean a real hard shutdown. No grocery store runs. No McDonalds. No Home Depot. Emergency workers only on the streets, police to nab and send home everyone else. Kind of like what they did in Italy and a few other places to crush the virus spread, not just 'flatten the curve'.

In the Post today there are some advocating a hard shutdown as one of three scenarios going forward, but I'm not sure they'd get the public support for that option.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/21/toll-covid-19-worsens-us-has-three-options/

No because it wouldn't work.

We need nationwide testing and tracing along with public health protocols, like quarantine, with teeth. When we merely suspected someone might have been exposed to Ebola she was confined to her house and people freaked out when she wanted to go out for a bike ride.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No. We did this before (someone is going to rush in and say it "wasn't the same", but it was close as we are going to get), and it doesn't "crush the virus". Just delays or pauses it for a bit.

Real talk but no one on DCUM will listen

Truth. This forum makes me despair for the critical thinking capacity of the American public.

I do think it's just magical thinking. They want to believe that there is something "smart" that we could have done to stop this. It reminds me of every time someone posts about a child that dies in some horrible accident and there are page and pages of posts blaming the parents and explaining why this would never happen to them or *their* child, because they're too *smart.* They don't want to accept that sh*t happens.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, yes, yes

The trick is to REALLY do it, combined with rapid testing and tracing. Then when you have eruptions, they can be quickly contact traced and quarantined. That is the only way to beat this thing, short of a vaccine.

This. And this is why the first round of shelter-at-home orders didn't work. The government should have used the time to build an effective testing and tracing system -- invoking the DPA to procure testing supplies and PPE, working out the logistics for testing sites and labs to run the tests, staffing up testers and contract tracers, setting up quarantine hotels so people weren't quarantining at home, etc. But it didn't -- it threw the whole thing to the states (except for when it seized PPE and other medical equipment) and the result was the mess we're in now.

If we had done that, we could have brought the numbers down far enough that we could do what other countries are doing -- gradually opening up, and using testing and tracing to prevent new outbreaks, with targeted local/regional shutdowns as needed. It might never have spread outside of the big cities where it first entered the US. Instead, it's running nearly unchecked everywhere, with some places having mask mandates and others opening the damn bars. It's ridiculous.

Agree with this, and part of the problem might be naming an unqualified novice, Jared Kushner, as in charge of the coronavirus task force. What could go wrong?

[Anonymous]

this would never happen in the US. Never. The UK did this and it worked but they were serious. No walmart, no gyms, no long runs outside, no bike rides. It worked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

https://news.yahoo.com/hong-kong-leader-says-coronavirus-critical-100-cases-085636893.html

But the city had impressive success in tackling the disease, all but ending local transmissions by late June.

However, in the last two weeks, infections have spiked once more and doctors fear the new outbreak is now spreading undetected in the densely packed territory of 7.5 million people.

On Sunday chief executive Carrie Lam said more than 500 infections had been confirmed in the last fortnight alone, nearly a third since the outbreak began.

Hong Kong is worried about 500 new cases over a 14 day period. That's an average of 35 new cases per day. Hong Kong's population is 7 million. 35/7 million = 5/million

So they are FREAKING OUT over this large outbreak ---- FIVE NEW CASES PER MILLION PER DAY.

FIVE.

Maryland is at 125 new cases per million per day and we are still talking about whether we should cloe the bars.

Florida is at something like 500 new cases per million per day and they have Disneyworld open.

Hong Kong knows what the eff they are doing. YOU DON'T GET TO COMPARE US WITH HONG KONG.

They did everything right, they shit spread down, and now, when they see local outbreaks they work hard to eradicate them.

NO STATE IN THE US IS EVEN CLOSE TO 5 NEW CASES PER MILLION PER DAY.

[Anonymous]

Yes, I would. I might want to move my family to a better place to quarantine though and ride it out like a prepper in the woods.