Get ready for even less detentons/suspensions and more restorative justice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like children and teens with behavioral issues
of all colors--white, hispanic, asian, and black will no
longer be disciplined and essentially are considered throwaway children.

How can children and teens that are not disciplined in the schools and in the home be expected to function on jobs?

It sounds like the throwaway disruptive children are fast tracking to jail and prison.

They are disciplined it's just that some parents prefer old school methods that have been shown to be ineffective.

Oh, and how are the 'new' methods effective?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Detentions and suspensions are pointless. They accomplish nothing. They just be gotten rid of completely. Restorative justice is better but isn't appropriate for all scenarios where a response is needed. They need to look at the issues and figure out what to put in place to support the social, emotional, and behavioral needs of their students and to find consequences that lead to learning and improvement.

That is the parent(s) or guardian's job. School is for education.

+ 1 billion....but that is a VERY unpopular mindset these days. The more the schools try to do, the less people intrinsically feel responsible to do. And the less they are doing. Foist the problems back onto the schools because that is where they are misbehaving and disrupting others. But the problem stems from home or should be dealt with from there. In the long run it will solve more problems if our culture begins to believe in personal responsibility again.

What's your plan for getting parents to do what you think parents should do?

Not the PP, but a mandatory parent or guardian sit-in for a school day. Or at least half day. County-wide. Just like jury duty. Show a letter to employer. Instead of suspension, the parent needs to come in and spend the day with the student. Observe each class from the back, watch lunch, PE, etc...

Suspension solves nothing. The kid sits home and plays video games or stares at their phone. That is deemed cool. Parent goes to work, parent doesn't have a consequence.

There is NOTHING cool about your mom, dad, guardian, or grandparent having to lose work for half a day or more to come babysit you in school. It is humiliating to both of them and I guarantee the behavior would stop VERY quick. The kid would be mortified and the parent could lose a job over it. And maybe for the kids it happens to, it wakes the parents up that they need to own their child's poor behavior in school. If they waste the teachers and other student's time - your time as a parent will be wasted too.

So the parent or guardian does this, or else what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

PP here - I work in Gburg

[Anonymous]

I wish they would put more yoga, art and physical education into their daily routine and/or discipline measures. Meditation, exercise and creative outlets might be more effective than suspension, detention or letting things slide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would put more yoga, art and physical education into their daily routine and/or discipline measures. Meditation, exercise and creative outlets might be more effective than suspension, detention or letting things slide.

Sounds great. Where do you think they’ll get the cash? Overcrowded classrooms, understaffed schools, no money for music and the arts as it is.

The schools system is overcrowded and poorly managed - no way the have money for yoga teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

PP here - I work in Gburg

DP

I’m in Silver Spring and we have a good number of fights at our ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds like children and teens with behavioral issues
of all colors--white, hispanic, asian, and black will no
longer be disciplined and essentially are considered throwaway children.

How can children and teens that are not disciplined in the schools and in the home be expected to function on jobs?

It sounds like the throwaway disruptive children are fast tracking to jail and prison.

They are disciplined it's just that some parents prefer old school methods that have been shown to be ineffective.

Oh, and how are the 'new' methods effective?

Not. At. All.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would put more yoga, art and physical education into their daily routine and/or discipline measures. Meditation, exercise and creative outlets might be more effective than suspension, detention or letting things slide.

No, this isn't how it works. You don't "drop in" wellness techniques. You reinvent schools.

Kids should be learning social skills in the early years, not academics. They're obese and ill (think diabetes), yet we shave away recess and provide crappy food in the cafeteria. They should be outdoors, applying classroom skills to real-life through place-based educational practices.

secondary school? Stop with the damn tests. Kids should ENJOY reading and writing, and through reading-writing workshop, they'll learn the types of writing by interacting with fictional and informative texts they like.

Nothing is organic in the system.

You can't stress out a kid by over-testing them and then expect 20 minutes of yoga to help.

It's all a** backward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

It honestly sounds like the teachers are so bad the kids just don't respect them. Perhaps, the county needs to hire more effective teachers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

With all due respect, do you work in a MCPS school? If this were five years ago I would agree with you. It used to be isolated students who needed more than the neighborhood schools were able to provide. These last five years have turned our schools upside down. I have packs of 10 year olds running our school. There were 6 fights last week alone...in an elementary school. One teacher was left bleeding as a result of one fight. The last one on Friday took two male upper grade teachers to hold the kids back as the more petite female teachers were basically tossed aside. I don't even work in a Title 1 school so who knows what's going on in other parts of the district.

Wow. Where do you work? Gaithersburg? Silver Spring?

PP here - I work in Gburg

DP

I’m in Silver Spring and we have a good number of fights at our ES.

I have 2 kids in school in the same area they have never had anything like this ever. In fact, I've never heard of anything like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they would put more yoga, art and physical education into their daily routine and/or discipline measures. Meditation, exercise and creative outlets might be more effective than suspension, detention or letting things slide.

No, this isn't how it works. You don't "drop in" wellness techniques. You reinvent schools.

Kids should be learning social skills in the early years, not academics. They're obese and ill (think diabetes), yet we shave away recess and provide crappy food in the cafeteria. They should be outdoors, applying classroom skills to real-life through place-based educational practices.

secondary school? Stop with the damn tests. Kids should ENJOY reading and writing, and through reading-writing workshop, they'll learn the types of writing by interacting with fictional and informative texts they like.

Nothing is organic in the system.

You can't stress out a kid by over-testing them and then expect 20 minutes of yoga to help.

It's all a** backward.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fewer. Not less. Ugh.

This. 4th grade grammar.

[Anonymous]

Separate schools for bad kids.

Like it used to be. Stop interrupting the education of the good kids.

Stop electing liberals in the school system!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's called poor parenting and MCPS isn't social services as much as they try to be. Bring back schools for kids with behavioral issues. Staff it with mental health experts, highly trained teachers and social services personnel. Those kids get the extra support they need and kids in general schools can learn without distractions.

There are already schools like that. And mental health issues aren't usually due to poor parenting unless your parent is from Mommie Dearest or something.

A lot of people posting here are delusional. This isn't a crisis. It's too bad they aren't doing things the way you think they should work, but based on evidence these methods are effective whereas these old-time notions aren't.

Old school methods may not have worked for all kids with behavior problems (but they did for many), but NOW these methods may help the kid with behavior problems AT THE EXPENSE of all of the other kids. Yes, it is a crisis.