At a loss with classroom behavior issues

[Anonymous]

You need to take a deep breath, PP. There are many other children in the same classroom and they are not reacting the same way as your child. No one is saying your child has a "problem." They are just suggesting you take a look at this issue from that point of view instead of blaming the classmate. My child has been in public elementary for 4 years and every year there is a child or sometimes two who acts out in various ways including throwing things like desks, pencils, and breaking things. None of them are targeting other students but just getting upset and expressing their frustration. I think I and DS might feel differently if there was a child who was actively attacking students but we have not encountered that. DS has been injured by other students in classroom and on the playground. But those students are NT . The kids with special needs who get frustrated in class have not hurt any other student as far as we have heard in the 4 years.

Not every evacuation is infrequent or quick. I suspect that your kid is the one causing the evacuation.

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You need to take a deep breath, PP. There are many other children in the same classroom and they are not reacting the same way as your child. No one is saying your child has a "problem." They are just suggesting you take a look at this issue from that point of view instead of blaming the classmate. My child has been in public elementary for 4 years and every year there is a child or sometimes two who acts out in various ways including throwing things like desks, pencils, and breaking things. None of them are targeting other students but just getting upset and expressing their frustration. I think I and DS might feel differently if there was a child who was actively attacking students but we have not encountered that. DS has been injured by other students in classroom and on the playground. But those students are NT . The kids with special needs who get frustrated in class have not hurt any other student as far as we have heard in the 4 years.

Not every evacuation is infrequent or quick. I suspect that your kid is the one causing the evacuation.

Yeah, anyone who uses the word 'just' to describe an entire class of students and teachers being forced to evacuate their classroom gets a raised eyebrow from me. Holy moly.

[Anonymous]

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

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You're being ridiculous. She already said she knows what neurotypical is.

At least two of us have said we are familiar with neuotypical, but not NT. Don't understand why the earlier PP is so arrogant.

You also said you don’t know neurodivergent. Yet every single one of us here teaches kids who receive sped services. It’s like a mechanic saying oh I didn’t know there were two kinds of screwdrivers.

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You're being ridiculous. She already said she knows what neurotypical is.

At least two of us have said we are familiar with neuotypical, but not NT. Don't understand why the earlier PP is so arrogant.

You also said you don’t know neurodivergent. Yet every single one of us here teaches kids who receive sped services. It’s like a mechanic saying oh I didn’t know there were two kinds of screwdrivers.

I'm PP. I never said that. You need to know that there are more than you and one other person writing on this thread. Possibly, you are not "NT?"

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You're being ridiculous. She already said she knows what neurotypical is.

At least two of us have said we are familiar with neuotypical, but not NT. Don't understand why the earlier PP is so arrogant.

You also said you don’t know neurodivergent. Yet every single one of us here teaches kids who receive sped services. It’s like a mechanic saying oh I didn’t know there were two kinds of screwdrivers.

I'm PP. I never said that. You need to know that there are more than you and one other person writing on this thread. Possibly, you are not "NT?"

This is why people think teachers suck, FYI. Using “maybe you’re special needs” as an insult if you teach is abhorrent.

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You're being ridiculous. She already said she knows what neurotypical is.

At least two of us have said we are familiar with neuotypical, but not NT. Don't understand why the earlier PP is so arrogant.

You also said you don’t know neurodivergent. Yet every single one of us here teaches kids who receive sped services. It’s like a mechanic saying oh I didn’t know there were two kinds of screwdrivers.

I'm PP. I never said that. You need to know that there are more than you and one other person writing on this thread. Possibly, you are not "NT?"

This is why people think teachers suck, FYI. Using “maybe you’re special needs” as an insult if you teach is abhorrent.

And attacking the teacher on here is ...what? Acceptable?

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You're being ridiculous. She already said she knows what neurotypical is.

At least two of us have said we are familiar with neuotypical, but not NT. Don't understand why the earlier PP is so arrogant.

You also said you don’t know neurodivergent. Yet every single one of us here teaches kids who receive sped services. It’s like a mechanic saying oh I didn’t know there were two kinds of screwdrivers.

I'm PP. I never said that. You need to know that there are more than you and one other person writing on this thread. Possibly, you are not "NT?"

This is why people think teachers suck, FYI. Using “maybe you’re special needs” as an insult if you teach is abhorrent.

And attacking the teacher on here is ...what? Acceptable?

Who was attacked! I said it’s wild they don’t know very standard education terms when they’ve been teaching for 20 years. That’s not an attack. Retorting by calling someone special needs when you are a teacher says a lot though.

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Anonymous wrote:These two posts do t name the “epidemic” to which hey refer... what is the epidemic?

Sounds like they mean mental illness...but they’re being very drama queeny about it.

I think they are antivaxxers. See the infertility reference.

Oh, yeah, you’re probably right.

I said the infertility reference because it's the one thing that people on this board seem to be able to comprehend. People are either pregnant or they're not. You can't be in denial about it and you can't pretend and you can't negotiate and you can't change the definition.

If you're asking whether I think all vaccines are a great idea for all kids in all cases, the answer is no. If you're asking whether some vaccines are a great idea in some cases, the answer is yes. But I (personally) was referring to much more than vaccines.

We have "food scientists" making the food that our kids are eating. And hint: these "scientists" work for the company who employs them, to try to save the company money in every single way possible, NOT for you or your children. Just think about that. Most of it isn't even food anymore.

Both the state of California and the World Health Organization publicly recognize that Roundup causes cancer and yet we're still allowing it to be sprayed it in our schools and parks and neighborhood gardens.

Our kids are sitting in front of screens when they're at home and now they're sitting in front of screens at school too because it's apparently the way most schools have decided it's easier to control the kids (big surprise). Nobody cares that studies have shown that the more that kids are exposed to screens, the lower their attention spans get.

I could go on and on. There are a ton of issues. I'm happy to start anywhere. But just being in denial about everything is not helping anyone.

DP
Why the eyeroll? If you think none of the above matters, what is your rationale behind the growing number of SN kids?

You're seeing them now. They weren't in school with you when you were a child. They went to special schools or were kept home. You HAVE to know this.

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Two sides to this and both have legitimate points of view. My child was in a class that was evacuated every few weeks in two different grades. I never even heard about it from her but a few parents mentioned it to me and I saw it happen once while volunteering. Not one of the kids seemed visibly upset. The evacuation was really quick and they just went to another classroom to continue the lesson. This was early elementary so it gave the kids a movement break and they continued with their lesson and were moved back into their classroom in about 5 minutes after another adult was able to come down and help the child who was upset.

DD has a friend with anxiety, and, her parents discovered a few years later, a learning disability. This situation was very difficult for her and the parents initially were in denial and blamed their DD's not being able to learn on the upset child. They did move her to a different classroom but found she was still struggling academically. This was about HER issue, not the other child's issue.

Public school is chaotic my friend and your child will encounter behavioral issues throughout K-12 so if this is making your child struggle you do have a right to bring it up with the administration but just know most students do fine with these disruptions.

Oh, ok, you're absolutely right, MY CHILD is the one who has problems, not PP's. I have the feeling that next year, when DD is in a class full of peers and not constantly evacuated from class and doesn't have shit thrown at her multiple times a week, she'll be doing a lot better. Have YOU ever had a desk thrown at you when you were at work? Multiple times? Threatened with scissors and sharp pencils??? You'd probably be anxious in that case, too. You and PP are real peaches.

You need to take a deep breath, PP. There are many other children in the same classroom and they are not reacting the same way as your child. No one is saying your child has a "problem." They are just suggesting you take a look at this issue from that point of view instead of blaming the classmate. My child has been in public elementary for 4 years and every year there is a child or sometimes two who acts out in various ways including throwing things like desks, pencils, and breaking things. None of them are targeting other students but just getting upset and expressing their frustration. I think I and DS might feel differently if there was a child who was actively attacking students but we have not encountered that. DS has been injured by other students in classroom and on the playground. But those students are NT . The kids with special needs who get frustrated in class have not hurt any other student as far as we have heard in the 4 years.

So you just agreed with PP. You said you would think differently if your kid had been attacked. PP said her childhad a desk thrown at her and has had to dodge scissors and sharp pencils. So you're agreeing. You would think differently if your son were in this situation. So why are you telling PP to take a deep breath? Just because your kid goes to a school with better behaved children? I am very confused.

[Anonymous]

I may be wrong, But parents have to accept the help. In one case I knew, the principal risked his own evaluation ( which discouraged suspensions) and had to call parents on a daily basis to pick a kid up due to extreme behaviors, before the parents would agree to a support plan.

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Anonymous wrote:These two posts do t name the “epidemic” to which hey refer... what is the epidemic?

Sounds like they mean mental illness...but they’re being very drama queeny about it.

I think they are antivaxxers. See the infertility reference.

Oh, yeah, you’re probably right.

I said the infertility reference because it's the one thing that people on this board seem to be able to comprehend. People are either pregnant or they're not. You can't be in denial about it and you can't pretend and you can't negotiate and you can't change the definition.

If you're asking whether I think all vaccines are a great idea for all kids in all cases, the answer is no. If you're asking whether some vaccines are a great idea in some cases, the answer is yes. But I (personally) was referring to much more than vaccines.

We have "food scientists" making the food that our kids are eating. And hint: these "scientists" work for the company who employs them, to try to save the company money in every single way possible, NOT for you or your children. Just think about that. Most of it isn't even food anymore.

Both the state of California and the World Health Organization publicly recognize that Roundup causes cancer and yet we're still allowing it to be sprayed it in our schools and parks and neighborhood gardens.

Our kids are sitting in front of screens when they're at home and now they're sitting in front of screens at school too because it's apparently the way most schools have decided it's easier to control the kids (big surprise). Nobody cares that studies have shown that the more that kids are exposed to screens, the lower their attention spans get.

I could go on and on. There are a ton of issues. I'm happy to start anywhere. But just being in denial about everything is not helping anyone.

DP
Why the eyeroll? If you think none of the above matters, what is your rationale behind the growing number of SN kids?

You're seeing them now. They weren't in school with you when you were a child. They went to special schools or were kept home. You HAVE to know this.

+1. I'm 42 and grew up locally. Plenty of kids my same age had behavior problems. As soon as they started acting up in the regular classroom, they were placed either in a self-contained class or a different school if it was really serious. I remember one mom pushing back and she was told she had to come to school with her daughter all day, every day and monitor her behavior or else she would get expelled. Even in the mid- 90s, most of those kids went to "alternative" schools, military schools, or were in inpatient residential treatment centers and never set foot in General Education. On a side note, I suspect the outcome for the very disruptive kids who are being pushed into the mainstream today will not be much different than the outcome for the people I remember from childhood.

[Anonymous]

Put everything in writing. Our principal will try to brush it off as the first step. You email, the principal will call you on the phone. Good luck.

fWIW, I would talk to SB members privately. If you speak at a meeting, some parents will skewer you saying you are preventing the disruptive child from receiving an education. The whole thing is super twisted right now.

[Anonymous]

Yes, put everything in writing. And yes, some savvy principals and teachers will not respond to you in writing. That's okay, when you are on the phone with them let them know you are sending a follow up email with the bullet points of the conversation when it is over. Then do that. Yes it is only your "side" of things, but it creates a big, old, long paper trail. I am a teacher and when I see I have a kid who might be an issue, I start documenting from DAY 1. It could be the child responds really well to all the interventions, supports, praise, mentoring, check in-check out charts, etc. Then the documentation just sits in my folder. But if I need it down the road? No one can tell me they can't evaluate the kid because there hasn't been 6 to 8 weeks of interventions, cause OH. YES. THERE. HAS. I. HAVE. PROOF.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the elephant in the room is that schools went too far with the inclusion model and it's becoming obvious that some kids really, really cannot function well in Gen Ed, even with a lot of extra supports.

Lawmakers went too far. The idea of least restrictive environment should have been qualified with an emphatic "... provided that there is no negative impact on the other students" or similar.

Schools only do what they do because they know the law isn't on their side and they're afraid of getting sued.

This is the issue. There used to be more self-contained classrooms with 8-12 special ed kids a teacher and aide. Sine kids just can't cope with a gen. ed. Classroom. Then add to that that kids are no longer restrained or picked up and carried outside a classroom. They are allowed to destroy a classroom while 24 other kids have to leave. Why are we allowing one kid to have that much power. It is scary for all the other kids, the teacher, AND the kid destroying the class. Once a kid realizes there us NO consequence for destroying a classroom, running out of class, hitting teachers and other students, the kid does whatever they want at school. The kid realizes there is nothing the school can do to punish him. Now add to that many schools won't suspend kids like this, it becomes a hopeless situation. Other kids start witnessing this and one or two start misbehaving too. Suspensions are great to force parents to control their kid. it gives everyone a needed break and other kids realize there is a consequence.

Teacher here. Agree with this 1000%.