Don't buy in MoCo until the school redistricting is setled?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:I think we really need to ramp up the magnet programs focusing on trade skills and workforce education. This was in the big report for Maryland. This could be used to get students more distributed around the county equitably. I always hear Bethesda and Potomac families complain about the lack of magnet options.

Do you mean a carrer magnet acadamy for plumbers, beauticians, autorepairman?


The new Seneca Valley is going to include several programs like that.

So the FARMs kids need to know they cannot amount to any more in life than that of a laborer, bus driver, plumber
If they do go to college they will take the place of another child of privilege that deserves his spot. And they do not even have the family money to graduate without debt or wear expensive clothes. They could even have skew teeth because of a lack of orthodontic care
Anonymous
So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Considering moving to MoCo from DC. Post boundary changes will prices go up even more? Looking at BCC in bounds at the moment. Chevy Chase or Kensington. Currently in DC charter.


I imagine BCC will remain pretty much as it is. It's one of the most diverse "good" clusters already. There's a plan for a new elementary school for both BCC and WJ, so likely somewhere near that boundary, but they don't know where yet.


Because Woodward is so close to BCC it's adjacent boundary to the north will likely change. It makes sense for many people who will live closer to Woodward to go there anyway.


Not so close. Woodward and BCC are 5 miles apart. Woodward is less than 5 miles from these high schools: WJ, Wheaton, Einstein, Whitman, RM, and Rockville. Also, as has been stated numerous times on this forum, Woodward is being reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools, not BCC.


A student on BCC's north edge is nearly walking distance from Woodward. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at some DCC schools by relieving overcrowding at the school's adjacent to it. For example, by moving neighborhood closer to it than BCC, the former will have its capacity to many other nearby neighborhoods that are currently assigned to Einstein.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Considering moving to MoCo from DC. Post boundary changes will prices go up even more? Looking at BCC in bounds at the moment. Chevy Chase or Kensington. Currently in DC charter.


I imagine BCC will remain pretty much as it is. It's one of the most diverse "good" clusters already. There's a plan for a new elementary school for both BCC and WJ, so likely somewhere near that boundary, but they don't know where yet.


Because Woodward is so close to BCC it's adjacent boundary to the north will likely change. It makes sense for many people who will live closer to Woodward to go there anyway.


Not so close. Woodward and BCC are 5 miles apart. Woodward is less than 5 miles from these high schools: WJ, Wheaton, Einstein, Whitman, RM, and Rockville. Also, as has been stated numerous times on this forum, Woodward is being reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools, not BCC.


A student on BCC's north edge is nearly walking distance from Woodward. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at some DCC schools by relieving overcrowding at the school's adjacent to it. For example, by moving neighborhood closer to it than BCC, the former will have its capacity to many other nearby neighborhoods that are currently assigned to Einstein.


No idea about any of that, but the notion that Woodward which isn't even inside current DCC boundary would be used to bus kids from the other side of the county as a means to not inconvenience residents of North Bethesda seems like wishful thinking.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Considering moving to MoCo from DC. Post boundary changes will prices go up even more? Looking at BCC in bounds at the moment. Chevy Chase or Kensington. Currently in DC charter.


I imagine BCC will remain pretty much as it is. It's one of the most diverse "good" clusters already. There's a plan for a new elementary school for both BCC and WJ, so likely somewhere near that boundary, but they don't know where yet.


Because Woodward is so close to BCC it's adjacent boundary to the north will likely change. It makes sense for many people who will live closer to Woodward to go there anyway.


Not so close. Woodward and BCC are 5 miles apart. Woodward is less than 5 miles from these high schools: WJ, Wheaton, Einstein, Whitman, RM, and Rockville. Also, as has been stated numerous times on this forum, Woodward is being reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools, not BCC.


A student on BCC's north edge is nearly walking distance from Woodward. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at some DCC schools by relieving overcrowding at the school's adjacent to it. For example, by moving neighborhood closer to it than BCC, the former will have its capacity to many other nearby neighborhoods that are currently assigned to Einstein. [/qusite)

No. From Silver Creek MS to Woodward (currently Tilden site) is an hour and 25 minute walk.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Considering moving to MoCo from DC. Post boundary changes will prices go up even more? Looking at BCC in bounds at the moment. Chevy Chase or Kensington. Currently in DC charter.


I imagine BCC will remain pretty much as it is. It's one of the most diverse "good" clusters already. There's a plan for a new elementary school for both BCC and WJ, so likely somewhere near that boundary, but they don't know where yet.


Because Woodward is so close to BCC it's adjacent boundary to the north will likely change. It makes sense for many people who will live closer to Woodward to go there anyway.


Not so close. Woodward and BCC are 5 miles apart. Woodward is less than 5 miles from these high schools: WJ, Wheaton, Einstein, Whitman, RM, and Rockville. Also, as has been stated numerous times on this forum, Woodward is being reopened to relieve overcrowding at WJ and the DCC schools, not BCC.


A student on BCC's north edge is nearly walking distance from Woodward. Woodward will relieve overcrowding at some DCC schools by relieving overcrowding at the school's adjacent to it. For example, by moving neighborhood closer to it than BCC, the former will have its capacity to many other nearby neighborhoods that are currently assigned to Einstein.


Wrong. Essentially nobody in the BCC area is closer to Woodward than BCC. I plugged in the most northwest part of BCC into Google maps and it’s 58 minutes walk from BCC and an hour and 10 minute walk from Woodward. That area goes to North Chevy Chase, much of which IS walkable to BCC and 30 minutes to Woodward in traffic. Bradley Hills elementary on the other hand is only a 50 minute walk from Walter Johnson...
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think we really need to ramp up the magnet programs focusing on trade skills and workforce education. This was in the big report for Maryland. This could be used to get students more distributed around the county equitably. I always hear Bethesda and Potomac families complain about the lack of magnet options.

Do you mean a carrer magnet acadamy for plumbers, beauticians, autorepairman?


The new Seneca Valley is going to include several programs like that.

So the FARMs kids need to know they cannot amount to any more in life than that of a laborer, bus driver, plumber
If they do go to college they will take the place of another child of privilege that deserves his spot. And they do not even have the family money to graduate without debt or wear expensive clothes. They could even have skew teeth because of a lack of orthodontic care


skew teeth???? not sure what that has to do with anything. We just have to rebrand magnet careers. I rarely see commercials or adds that promote the benefit of blue collar work. Mostly is dire b/c of manufacturing and unions. However, plumbers make great money, so do auto repairmen and landscaper especially if they can own their own business. Not sure the desire to force any kid into college debt and still low paying jobs just as a feel better approach of "everyone should go to college".
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think we really need to ramp up the magnet programs focusing on trade skills and workforce education. This was in the big report for Maryland. This could be used to get students more distributed around the county equitably. I always hear Bethesda and Potomac families complain about the lack of magnet options.

Do you mean a carrer magnet acadamy for plumbers, beauticians, autorepairman?


The new Seneca Valley is going to include several programs like that.

So the FARMs kids need to know they cannot amount to any more in life than that of a laborer, bus driver, plumber
If they do go to college they will take the place of another child of privilege that deserves his spot. And they do not even have the family money to graduate without debt or wear expensive clothes. They could even have skew teeth because of a lack of orthodontic care


skew teeth???? not sure what that has to do with anything. We just have to rebrand magnet careers. I rarely see commercials or adds that promote the benefit of blue collar work. Mostly is dire b/c of manufacturing and unions. However, plumbers make great money, so do auto repairmen and landscaper especially if they can own their own business. Not sure the desire to force any kid into college debt and still low paying jobs just as a feel better approach of "everyone should go to college".


I’m a white millennial from an upper middle class upbringing and have “skew teeth”. Some people just don’t prioritize cosmetic care. “Expensive clothes” and “skew teeth” should factor even less into a redistricting decison than property values.
Anonymous
The main problem from a real estate perspective is that rezoning from a top school to. lower ranked school drops the property value substantially. In Montgomery County, there is also the problem that you will not simply move where the higher value property lines occur you will simply drop all of them.

There are not enough affluent kids to raise the scores in other schools by enough to create an opposite increase in property values in another area. It will end up dropping property values in formerly top ranked clusters and dropping values even more in medium ranked clusters. Low ranked clusters will stay about the same but will seem drops as well. Don't forget that the mid to low ranked school clusters get a property value bump from the "good" areas being just out of reach from an affordability stand point. Those areas will still have less crime and UMC people who would have bought in the mid to low ranked area will now simply buy in the formerly good area because they can afford it now.

If Montgomery County had the high level professional jobs that NOVA has attracted then it might be able to do massive rezoning but with the county's dire financial situation and the lack of any business growth or high level jobs, it will be a substantial economic problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The main problem from a real estate perspective is that rezoning from a top school to. lower ranked school drops the property value substantially. In Montgomery County, there is also the problem that you will not simply move where the higher value property lines occur you will simply drop all of them.

There are not enough affluent kids to raise the scores in other schools by enough to create an opposite increase in property values in another area. It will end up dropping property values in formerly top ranked clusters and dropping values even more in medium ranked clusters. Low ranked clusters will stay about the same but will seem drops as well. Don't forget that the mid to low ranked school clusters get a property value bump from the "good" areas being just out of reach from an affordability stand point. Those areas will still have less crime and UMC people who would have bought in the mid to low ranked area will now simply buy in the formerly good area because they can afford it now.

If Montgomery County had the high level professional jobs that NOVA has attracted then it might be able to do massive rezoning but with the county's dire financial situation and the lack of any business growth or high level jobs, it will be a substantial economic problem.


It should be a net gain since low-income students do better at schools without highly concentrated poverty so even the top schools will only be a little worse off but mid and lower-ranked schools should be much better. This will also boost the county's property tax revenue and allow for greater investment in education.
Anonymous
The expensive homes in Potomac and Bethesda will drop in value reducing tax rolls.

The shitty high crime further out area even in zones for a W school won’t rise in value much as not permanent and still a crappy area
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:i’m going to be home shopping soon in the 800k range and have pretty much ruled out any home that is zoned for one of the Ws. you’d be silly to buy a house that comes with a school premium right now.


You can buy my house. Zoned for B-CC; good elementary and middle schools. Not going to be impacted by beltway expansion.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
The main problem from a real estate perspective is that rezoning from a top school to. lower ranked school drops the property value substantially. In Montgomery County, there is also the problem that you will not simply move where the higher value property lines occur you will simply drop all of them.

There are not enough affluent kids to raise the scores in other schools by enough to create an opposite increase in property values in another area. It will end up dropping property values in formerly top ranked clusters and dropping values even more in medium ranked clusters. Low ranked clusters will stay about the same but will seem drops as well. Don't forget that the mid to low ranked school clusters get a property value bump from the "good" areas being just out of reach from an affordability stand point. Those areas will still have less crime and UMC people who would have bought in the mid to low ranked area will now simply buy in the formerly good area because they can afford it now.

If Montgomery County had the high level professional jobs that NOVA has attracted then it might be able to do massive rezoning but with the county's dire financial situation and the lack of any business growth or high level jobs, it will be a substantial economic problem.


It should be a net gain since low-income students do better at schools without highly concentrated poverty so even the top schools will only be a little worse off but mid and lower-ranked schools should be much better. This will also boost the county's property tax revenue and allow for greater investment in education.


Test scores do not rise for low income kids when they are moved into schools with less FARMS. MCPS's own data and research poverty found that low income kids did not do better in schools with fewer FARMS. If you want to raise test scores, which raises rankings and then raises property values then you have to raise the income of low income kids. Get behind raising the minimum wage substantially to a loving wage, increase housing subsidies, lower health care costs and address immigration reform so that undocumented parents are not forced to take jobs that do not pay a living wage. People laugh at Yang's UBI proposals but the only studies that have shown an effective and predictable way to raise the scores of low income kids have been situations where low income families were given additional income to get out of poverty.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?
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