Don't buy in MoCo until the school redistricting is setled?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we really need to ramp up the magnet programs focusing on trade skills and workforce education. This was in the big report for Maryland. This could be used to get students more distributed around the county equitably. I always hear Bethesda and Potomac families complain about the lack of magnet options.

Do you mean a carrer magnet acadamy for plumbers, beauticians, autorepairman?


The new Seneca Valley is going to include several programs like that.

So the FARMs kids need to know they cannot amount to any more in life than that of a laborer, bus driver, plumber
If they do go to college they will take the place of another child of privilege that deserves his spot. And they do not even have the family money to graduate without debt or wear expensive clothes. They could even have skew teeth because of a lack of orthodontic care


skew teeth???? not sure what that has to do with anything. We just have to rebrand magnet careers. I rarely see commercials or adds that promote the benefit of blue collar work. Mostly is dire b/c of manufacturing and unions. However, plumbers make great money, so do auto repairmen and landscaper especially if they can own their own business. Not sure the desire to force any kid into college debt and still low paying jobs just as a feel better approach of "everyone should go to college".

How about:
Everyone should have an equal opportunity to go to college?
Or
Everyone should have an equal opportunity to attend a good high school

Are some people advocating that schools push kids into low paying jobs, dead end careers at a young age? Can't we let them have an equal opportunity and then decide themselves?
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf



Looking at page 8 I see that Whitman's average appears to be 1299 which is only a bit lower than Blair's.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf



Oh, so “cohort” now means race? Why are you comparing based on race?
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf



Looking at page 8 I see that Whitman's average appears to be 1299 which is only a bit lower than Blair's.


BCC is also very high. But Einstein, Northwood and Kennedy (ie the rest of the DCC) look like schools to avoid.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf



Oh, so “cohort” now means race? Why are you comparing based on race?


It's all the county provides which can proxy SES.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf



Oh, so “cohort” now means race? Why are you comparing based on race?


It's all the county provides which can proxy SES.


This isn’t true. For starters, they provide FARMS average SAT, which shows how well low SES students do at each school. At Blair, FARMS students average 1019. Based on the number of Farms and non-FARMS students who took the SAT and the average school-wide score of 1142, using algebra, that means the average non-FARMS SAT score was 1204. At BCC the average non-FARMS was 1286. You can’t calculate the non-FARMS SAT score for Churchill or Whitman because there are not enough FARMS students, but I would expect them to be similar to BCC. This suggests that BCC (and likely W-schools) students tend to score higher than Blair students - at both the high AND low socioeconomic levels.

I wonder if a significant number of the white students at Blair are in the magnet program - that could really skew the average.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


You’re delusional if you think Blair has a higher SAT score average than Whitman.


Here's a recent report comparing moco high-school SAT averages by cohort. Comparing the largest cohort common to these schools we can see how well they actually stack up. Here's a shortlist from the county's report

Blair 1326.
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Poolesville 1259
Churchill 1257

https://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf



Oh, so “cohort” now means race? Why are you comparing based on race?


It's all the county provides which can proxy SES.


This isn’t true. For starters, they provide FARMS average SAT, which shows how well low SES students do at each school. At Blair, FARMS students average 1019. Based on the number of Farms and non-FARMS students who took the SAT and the average school-wide score of 1142, using algebra, that means the average non-FARMS SAT score was 1204. At BCC the average non-FARMS was 1286. You can’t calculate the non-FARMS SAT score for Churchill or Whitman because there are not enough FARMS students, but I would expect them to be similar to BCC. This suggests that BCC (and likely W-schools) students tend to score higher than Blair students - at both the high AND low socioeconomic levels.

I wonder if a significant number of the white students at Blair are in the magnet program - that could really skew the average.


This appears be the case. Based on this Washington Post article, it appears about 308 of the magnet students are white, or an average of 77 per grade: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/maryland-school-district-examines-racial-disparities-in-its-gifted-programs/2016/03/21/1caacdf6-eb88-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html

With 160 total white students in the classes of 2017, this means close to half of the white student body at Blair were magnet students. This most likely explains the slightly higher average white student SAT score as compared to the Ws/BCC.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


Now I understand what you’re talking about with Cohort, I can safely say you are wrong. As detailed on my post above, there are actually about 77 white students in the Blair magnet program (not 30), making up about half of the total white students at Blair. This likely explains the higher white SAT score versus Whitman/Churchill/BCC, especially when you see that the FARMS and non-FARMS averages are both lower at Blair than BCC.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


Now I understand what you’re talking about with Cohort, I can safely say you are wrong. As detailed on my post above, there are actually about 77 white students in the Blair magnet program (not 30), making up about half of the total white students at Blair. This likely explains the higher white SAT score versus Whitman/Churchill/BCC, especially when you see that the FARMS and non-FARMS averages are both lower at Blair than

The magnet has only about 80 out of boundary students per grade and 28% are classified as white. The number is actually lower than 30. Most in fact are Asian. Sure, the 20 something magnet kids have an impact since the average magnet SAT was 1518 but this only amount to small impact since Blair also happens to be the largest high school in the county.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


Now I understand what you’re talking about with Cohort, I can safely say you are wrong. As detailed on my post above, there are actually about 77 white students in the Blair magnet program (not 30), making up about half of the total white students at Blair. This likely explains the higher white SAT score versus Whitman/Churchill/BCC, especially when you see that the FARMS and non-FARMS averages are both lower at Blair than

The magnet has only about 80 out of boundary students per grade and 28% are classified as white. The number is actually lower than 30. Most in fact are Asian. Sure, the 20 something magnet kids have an impact since the average magnet SAT was 1518 but this only amount to small impact since Blair also happens to be the largest high school in the county.


You’re correct many magnet students are in bounds and the program is roughly 58% Asian.
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Anonymous wrote:So let’s say rich kids in Bethesda, Chevy Chase and Potomac get sent to shit schools.

Why would they go? Tons of good private schools nearby. Or just buy a property in the area coded for their school and continue

Rich kids don't need to go anywhere or grow up

The rich kids I knew were all wild. They did ok in school, were very disrespectful to their teachers, bullied other kids, made sure others know what they own ( daddy is opthalmologist and owns his own business premises)
Parents paid for college, used connections to get them their first job, the first car they got was expensive so they crashed it, I could go on and on


Will busing the rich kids to Blair help the poor kids in Blair?


It would likely hurt Blair since it's average SAT score is about 50+ points higher for the largest cohort common to it and any W and even without the 35 magnet kids in that cohort it's around 30 points higher.

The point is it's a diverse school but anyone who wants to do well there is already doing well. Also, it isn't a school with highly concentrated poverty since its FARMS rate is comparable to that of the county.


Now I understand what you’re talking about with Cohort, I can safely say you are wrong. As detailed on my post above, there are actually about 77 white students in the Blair magnet program (not 30), making up about half of the total white students at Blair. This likely explains the higher white SAT score versus Whitman/Churchill/BCC, especially when you see that the FARMS and non-FARMS averages are both lower at Blair than

The magnet has only about 80 out of boundary students per grade and 28% are classified as white. The number is actually lower than 30. Most in fact are Asian. Sure, the 20 something magnet kids have an impact since the average magnet SAT was 1518 but this only amount to small impact since Blair also happens to be the largest high school in the county.


You’re correct many magnet students are in bounds and the program is roughly 58% Asian.


There are 2 magnets at Blair - together, there are about 75 white students per grade.

It doesn’t matter whether white magnet students are in bounds or out of bounds, mathematically. If you have 30 white magnet students with an SAT score average of 1518 (not sure if this is true - just assuming based on the post above) and the total SAT score average of the 150 white students is 1330, then the average SAT of the non-magnet white students is 1281, or lower than the white SAT averages at BCC and Whitman. That’s just the math. And this ignores the fact that there’s a second magnet program at Blair with another 50 white students (communication arts). Given that this is another academic magnet, my guess is that these magnet students also have SAT scores higher than their non-magnet peers. So the non-magnet white students likely have an ever lower SAT score average than 1281. For the record, I don’t really care. But I get annoyed when, to suit a political agenda, people pull claims out of their ass about non-magnet white students at Blair having SAT scores above the average Whitman white student when the publicly available data evidences the exact opposite of this bogus claim.
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