Remind me why we hate Jon Gosselin?

[Anonymous]

PP—How do you explain Hannah and Colin choosing to live with Jon? And Colin’s now-public letter to Jon about wanting to escape the facility where Kate had him locked up?

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I think the crazy PP must be Kate. Nobody else could defend such appalling behavior by Kate.

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Anonymous wrote:PP—How do you explain Hannah and Colin choosing to live with Jon? And Colin’s now-public letter to Jon about wanting to escape the facility where Kate had him locked up?

Hannah refused to leave her father after visitation and he filed for custody. He had done multiple court filings to find out where Colin is and eventually he was told and he filed for custody and got it. Jon was not told where Collin was or allowed to visit. I question any facility who doesn't do family therapy with both parents and try to keep parents involved. This child was dropped off for several years and basically abandoned by his mother and hidden from his father.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon checked out on his family and Kate did what she had to do to survive.

Yep, and the video evidence shows no reason why he should have checked out, especially since Kate is the perfect example of calm, composure, kindness, and all things good. Why would he ever leave such an open hearted, amazing soul?

Getting a divorce is not the same as checking out on your kids. He did both. Kate being a very difficult personality is not a reason to abandon your children, which is what he did.

I have sympathy for Kate because in a lot of ways she's a single mother and that means she does everything and is judged against her mistakes, while the absent father does essentially nothing but is judged against some non-standard where "at least he didn't make the mistake the person who has the kids 24/7/365 made 2.5 years ago on Thursday."

I see this IRL too - guys who do essentially nothing get praised for seeing their kids on the holidays while moms get dragged for sending the kids to school with mismatched socks.

Kate doesn't have to be a sweetheart for Jon to be trash.

He didn't check out. He was not allowed contact. He fought in court and lost. What else can he do? He showed up for visitation and he was refused the kids. He went to court and judge did nothing except say send the kids. Do you realize how many fathers have that experience and then get blamed? He should have been given 50/50 and not she should have been held in contempt for the visitation refusal. He wasn't an absent father. He went to his visitation which is all he was allowed. She turned the kids against him and they "refused" to go with him.

You're claiming some contradictory things. He certainly was allowed contact, that's what the judge saying "send the kids" means. He said that 4 of them refused to visit him, which you're saying (as he did) is because she turned them against him. Half of your kids refusing to visit you is not the same as "not allowed contact." And when 2 of the 4 that don't want to see you are the oldest, it doesn't make a strong case for parental alienation. If it was Kate feeding them lies then the younger ones would have been more susceptible than the ones who had more memories of their dad.

Those kids knew which parent was taking care of them and it wasn't Jon. The oldest kids were angry at their father for walking away from their family like he did.

He did not walk away. He was only allowed limited visitation. That is not walking away. The kids were told he walked away but he fought in court for many years and kept losing. Kate had the show pay her attorney so she had unlimited funds. He did not. It was clearly parental alienation. She was physically and mentally abusive to the kids. If the court orders visitation, you send them. Visitation isn't an option.

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

Are you Kate?

No, most people would not handle it that way, because they aren't vicious to their own kids that way.

Stressed out, overwhelmed people who are shouldering the weight of an enormous responsibility all by themselves sometimes say and do regretful things. This thing with the teddy bear was not good but I think Kate was beyond frustrated with the lack of common sense in giving 6 very small children chewing gum. Kate was running a tight ship on a strict budget and the stupidity of it all just set her off.

Jon often did stupid things just like this and I think that Kate just blew her top.

She wasn’t alone or by herself. She had an army of supportive help.

Everyone blows up occasionally but Kate’s been filmed multiple times going off the rails over the years over little things. She’s a control freak who can’t manage her anger. She bullied Colin. Then Hannah, which is why she’s now living with her dad too.

Her twins deliberately embarrassed her in an interview:
https://www.today.com/parents/gosselin-girls-go-silent-whether-theyre-doing-ok-let-mom-2D11940194

Because it’s the only power they have.

Tight budget? TLC funded EVERYTHING. Date night, outing with the kids, everything! If TLC didnt pay, they didnt go.

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Jon just needs to stay the course. Over time the other sextuplets will come around. I don't know about the twins. They seem really close to Kate and I have no doubt there are repercussions from Kate towards any kids who want to spend time with Jon or show any positive feelings towards Jon.

Glad to see Hannah and Collin getting to have a normal, stable adolescence.

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Anonymous wrote:Jon just needs to stay the course. Over time the other sextuplets will come around. I don't know about the twins. They seem really close to Kate and I have no doubt there are repercussions from Kate towards any kids who want to spend time with Jon or show any positive feelings towards Jon.

Glad to see Hannah and Collin getting to have a normal, stable adolescence.

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

Are you Kate?

No, most people would not handle it that way, because they aren't vicious to their own kids that way.

Stressed out, overwhelmed people who are shouldering the weight of an enormous responsibility all by themselves sometimes say and do regretful things. This thing with the teddy bear was not good but I think Kate was beyond frustrated with the lack of common sense in giving 6 very small children chewing gum. Kate was running a tight ship on a strict budget and the stupidity of it all just set her off.

Jon often did stupid things just like this and I think that Kate just blew her top.

She wasn’t alone or by herself. She had an army of supportive help.

Everyone blows up occasionally but Kate’s been filmed multiple times going off the rails over the years over little things. She’s a control freak who can’t manage her anger. She bullied Colin. Then Hannah, which is why she’s now living with her dad too.

Her twins deliberately embarrassed her in an interview:
https://www.today.com/parents/gosselin-girls-go-silent-whether-theyre-doing-ok-let-mom-2D11940194

Because it’s the only power they have.

Tight budget? TLC funded EVERYTHING. Date night, outing with the kids, everything! If TLC didnt pay, they didnt go.

Kate was feeding and clothing her children on her income from TLC. She couldn't afford to be replacing items that got carelessly ruined.

And, of course, there was a reason she was doing the reality t.v. show - it paid the family's bills and made their lives easier. She had 8 kids to support, that is why they did the show. It's not like she could have just gone back to work as a nurse and supported her large family on that salary.

The second guessing being done is unreal. None of us have been in her shoes and if we were I'll bet that we would have chosen TLC over the likes of Jon.

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Yeah, no one has ever raised a large family without reality TV. I mean, how unrealistic! #hikate

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Anonymous wrote:That was mean but she didn't end up throwing the bear away. She was just pissed off because someone gave her six toddlers gum and the gum was all over their clothes and stuff when she was supposed to be packing. Most people loe it in that situation.

Are you Kate?

No, most people would not handle it that way, because they aren't vicious to their own kids that way.

Stressed out, overwhelmed people who are shouldering the weight of an enormous responsibility all by themselves sometimes say and do regretful things. This thing with the teddy bear was not good but I think Kate was beyond frustrated with the lack of common sense in giving 6 very small children chewing gum. Kate was running a tight ship on a strict budget and the stupidity of it all just set her off.

Jon often did stupid things just like this and I think that Kate just blew her top.

She wasn’t alone or by herself. She had an army of supportive help.

Everyone blows up occasionally but Kate’s been filmed multiple times going off the rails over the years over little things. She’s a control freak who can’t manage her anger. She bullied Colin. Then Hannah, which is why she’s now living with her dad too.

Her twins deliberately embarrassed her in an interview:
https://www.today.com/parents/gosselin-girls-go-silent-whether-theyre-doing-ok-let-mom-2D11940194

Because it’s the only power they have.

Tight budget? TLC funded EVERYTHING. Date night, outing with the kids, everything! If TLC didnt pay, they didnt go.

Kate was feeding and clothing her children on her income from TLC. She couldn't afford to be replacing items that got carelessly ruined.

And, of course, there was a reason she was doing the reality t.v. show - it paid the family's bills and made their lives easier. She had 8 kids to support, that is why they did the show. It's not like she could have just gone back to work as a nurse and supported her large family on that salary.

The second guessing being done is unreal. None of us have been in her shoes and if we were I'll bet that we would have chosen TLC over the likes of Jon.

She could have kept her regular job. To expect 3 year olds never to get clothing dirty is absurd. Yes, she could have supported a large family on it. She didn't want to. I would choose my kids and children's father any day over a TV show. That is such a horrible life for those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, no one has ever raised a large family without reality TV. I mean, how unrealistic! #hikate

Most people would never even have the option of a reality TV show. Kate did and that is the option she went with. That show was her family's bread and butter for years.

They ALL got all sorts of perks from doing the show, it's not like their lives would have been better if they had stayed stuck in a too small house and never traveled anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the crazy PP must be Kate. Nobody else could defend such appalling behavior by Kate.

Or she's paying people to defend her.

Even on the original show back in the day, it's clear she was batsh!t insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, no one has ever raised a large family without reality TV. I mean, how unrealistic! #hikate

Most people would never even have the option of a reality TV show. Kate did and that is the option she went with. That show was her family's bread and butter for years.

They ALL got all sorts of perks from doing the show, it's not like their lives would have been better if they had stayed stuck in a too small house and never traveled anywhere.

Their family would have been much better if they stayed in the small house, lived within their means and were a "normal" family instead of a tv show. Money isn't as important as family and the kids having a good childhood.

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised that John didn't end up with custody of Maddie she seemed to be the black sheep of the family and Kate hated her on the show

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Every time I hear stories about reality show families I just think about how remarkably prescient the Truman Show was. the only thing is you don't need to create this elaborate expensive set to exploit a child, first it was this low rent cable network and now you have any idiot with a video camera trying to become famous on YouTube.

There's absolutely no amount of money in the world I would ever let me give up my privacy or my child's privacy.