I feel politically lost

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

I’ve been calling you sh1theads “amoral” for years. Try to keep up.

You know what's amoral?

Bringing in illegal immigrants as a way to keep wages low, and as a way to allow business owners to make more profits.

Who benefits from illegal immigration? Business who get cheap labor. That's it. Nobody else. Not the illegal immigrants, who have to accept crap wages, and live in crappy conditions. Not the middle class. It's a fantastic deal for wealthy business owners who can pay low wages and not offer health insurance.

Why else does illegal immigration continue?

What is amoral is the fact that Democrats encourage more illegal immigrants to risk their lives by promising them more free stuff here in the US (free education for the kids, free health insurance, free college tuition) just so that their stream of cheap labor will continue. It's gross. And, definitely amoral.

Why are they coming here? The jobs.

Who is hiring them? Who is driving them up from the border by the truckload to work in their factories?

Hint: not the Dems.

Actually, it is the Dems. And the Republicans. Both.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

You are a dem my dear. An atheist in the repub party? Ah no. Most dems are opposed to illegal immigration - we just want a humane solution. Kicking out DACA kids who don’t even speak their country’s language seems harsh.

What kind of solution?
So far all I hear from the dems is about letting people wait with relatives for their court date, providing schooling, free health insurance, free food, etc.
I do not support family separations or inhumane conditions in detention, but what is the solution to not letting more and more people overwhelm the system?
They may well be great people but I have seen first hand how they affect the schools when in large numbers.
I want to be able to stay where I live and not have to seek a school that is not like 65% ESOL and poor. Which btw drives me to charters.
It is unfortunate that neither side seems to offer a working solution; at least the republicans are not forcing me to pretend to “welcome them with open arms”.

Putting people in concentration camps and separating kids has been dramatically more expensive. Most people coming had people to stay with and jobs waiting for them when they came in to the country legally seeking amnesty. Follow the money. This has been one huge con and people are getting rich off of your tax money because of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

You are a dem my dear. An atheist in the repub party? Ah no. Most dems are opposed to illegal immigration - we just want a humane solution. Kicking out DACA kids who don’t even speak their country’s language seems harsh.

What kind of solution?
So far all I hear from the dems is about letting people wait with relatives for their court date, providing schooling, free health insurance, free food, etc.
I do not support family separations or inhumane conditions in detention, but what is the solution to not letting more and more people overwhelm the system?
They may well be great people but I have seen first hand how they affect the schools when in large numbers.
I want to be able to stay where I live and not have to seek a school that is not like 65% ESOL and poor. Which btw drives me to charters.
It is unfortunate that neither side seems to offer a working solution; at least the republicans are not forcing me to pretend to “welcome them with open arms”.

Putting people in concentration camps and separating kids has been dramatically more expensive. Most people coming had people to stay with and jobs waiting for them when they came in to the country legally seeking amnesty. Follow the money. This has been one huge con and people are getting rich off of your tax money because of it.

Turn off you own source of propaganda.

Nobody is putting anybody in ‘concentration camps’.

And if they came into the country legally, then they are not part of the illegal immigration problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

You are a dem my dear. An atheist in the repub party? Ah no. Most dems are opposed to illegal immigration - we just want a humane solution. Kicking out DACA kids who don’t even speak their country’s language seems harsh.

What kind of solution?
So far all I hear from the dems is about letting people wait with relatives for their court date, providing schooling, free health insurance, free food, etc.
I do not support family separations or inhumane conditions in detention, but what is the solution to not letting more and more people overwhelm the system?
They may well be great people but I have seen first hand how they affect the schools when in large numbers.
I want to be able to stay where I live and not have to seek a school that is not like 65% ESOL and poor. Which btw drives me to charters.
It is unfortunate that neither side seems to offer a working solution; at least the republicans are not forcing me to pretend to “welcome them with open arms”.

Putting people in concentration camps and separating kids has been dramatically more expensive. Most people coming had people to stay with and jobs waiting for them when they came in to the country legally seeking amnesty. Follow the money. This has been one huge con and people are getting rich off of your tax money because of it.

Turn off you own source of propaganda.

Nobody is putting anybody in ‘concentration camps’.

And if they came into the country legally, then they are not part of the illegal immigration problem.

PP again

But I will agree that there are ALOT of people getting very rich off of taxpayer money all around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

I’ve been calling you sh1theads “amoral” for years. Try to keep up.

You know what's amoral?

Bringing in illegal immigrants as a way to keep wages low, and as a way to allow business owners to make more profits.

Who benefits from illegal immigration? Business who get cheap labor. That's it. Nobody else. Not the illegal immigrants, who have to accept crap wages, and live in crappy conditions. Not the middle class. It's a fantastic deal for wealthy business owners who can pay low wages and not offer health insurance.

Why else does illegal immigration continue?

What is amoral is the fact that Democrats encourage more illegal immigrants to risk their lives by promising them more free stuff here in the US (free education for the kids, free health insurance, free college tuition) just so that their stream of cheap labor will continue. It's gross. And, definitely amoral.

This is where you went off the rails with lies and BS. Republicans have you convinced that anyone who comes in and is now thrown in a cash cow concentration camp is here illegally. THEY ARE NOT. We had a process to follow for determining who can claim amnesty here. Obama deterred people coming over illegally and deported a huge number of people who came illegally. We had a legal process THAT WAS WORKING. We also have a white nationalist writing the policies combined with a conman huckster president and they have not only snowed people in to believing BS but they have milked tax payer money for the swindle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

I’ve been calling you sh1theads “amoral” for years. Try to keep up.

You know what's amoral?

Bringing in illegal immigrants as a way to keep wages low, and as a way to allow business owners to make more profits.

Who benefits from illegal immigration? Business who get cheap labor. That's it. Nobody else. Not the illegal immigrants, who have to accept crap wages, and live in crappy conditions. Not the middle class. It's a fantastic deal for wealthy business owners who can pay low wages and not offer health insurance.

Why else does illegal immigration continue?

What is amoral is the fact that Democrats encourage more illegal immigrants to risk their lives by promising them more free stuff here in the US (free education for the kids, free health insurance, free college tuition) just so that their stream of cheap labor will continue. It's gross. And, definitely amoral.

Why are they coming here? The jobs.

Who is hiring them? Who is driving them up from the border by the truckload to work in their factories?

Hint: not the Dems.

Actually, it is the Dems. And the Republicans. Both.

In poultry, almost all political $ goes to GOP. I’ve posted the research/math on here before.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/exploitation-and-abuse-at-the-chicken-plant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

You are a dem my dear. An atheist in the repub party? Ah no. Most dems are opposed to illegal immigration - we just want a humane solution. Kicking out DACA kids who don’t even speak their country’s language seems harsh.

What kind of solution?
So far all I hear from the dems is about letting people wait with relatives for their court date, providing schooling, free health insurance, free food, etc.
I do not support family separations or inhumane conditions in detention, but what is the solution to not letting more and more people overwhelm the system?
They may well be great people but I have seen first hand how they affect the schools when in large numbers.
I want to be able to stay where I live and not have to seek a school that is not like 65% ESOL and poor. Which btw drives me to charters.
It is unfortunate that neither side seems to offer a working solution; at least the republicans are not forcing me to pretend to “welcome them with open arms”.

Putting people in concentration camps and separating kids has been dramatically more expensive. Most people coming had people to stay with and jobs waiting for them when they came in to the country legally seeking amnesty. Follow the money. This has been one huge con and people are getting rich off of your tax money because of it.

Turn off you own source of propaganda.

Nobody is putting anybody in ‘concentration camps’.

And if they came into the country legally, then they are not part of the illegal immigration problem.

PP again

But I will agree that there are ALOT of people getting very rich off of taxpayer money all around.

Create huge personal suffering, screw up children psychologically that will lead to massive amounts of settlements and criminal charges for the people on the ground implementing the plans, but as long as people are milking the US govt now, we can push off the consequences for later. Sound familiar? That is the trump playbook. Lie cheat and steal for as long as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

You are a dem my dear. An atheist in the repub party? Ah no. Most dems are opposed to illegal immigration - we just want a humane solution. Kicking out DACA kids who don’t even speak their country’s language seems harsh.

What kind of solution?
So far all I hear from the dems is about letting people wait with relatives for their court date, providing schooling, free health insurance, free food, etc.
I do not support family separations or inhumane conditions in detention, but what is the solution to not letting more and more people overwhelm the system?
They may well be great people but I have seen first hand how they affect the schools when in large numbers.
I want to be able to stay where I live and not have to seek a school that is not like 65% ESOL and poor. Which btw drives me to charters.
It is unfortunate that neither side seems to offer a working solution; at least the republicans are not forcing me to pretend to “welcome them with open arms”.

Putting people in concentration camps and separating kids has been dramatically more expensive. Most people coming had people to stay with and jobs waiting for them when they came in to the country legally seeking amnesty. Follow the money. This has been one huge con and people are getting rich off of your tax money because of it.

Turn off you own source of propaganda.

Nobody is putting anybody in ‘concentration camps’.

And if they came into the country legally, then they are not part of the illegal immigration problem.

So you are fine with people coming to the country legally and being thrown in concentration camps? And of course they are concentration camps. Don't insult us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

I’ve been calling you sh1theads “amoral” for years. Try to keep up.

You know what's amoral?

Bringing in illegal immigrants as a way to keep wages low, and as a way to allow business owners to make more profits.

Who benefits from illegal immigration? Business who get cheap labor. That's it. Nobody else. Not the illegal immigrants, who have to accept crap wages, and live in crappy conditions. Not the middle class. It's a fantastic deal for wealthy business owners who can pay low wages and not offer health insurance.

Why else does illegal immigration continue?

What is amoral is the fact that Democrats encourage more illegal immigrants to risk their lives by promising them more free stuff here in the US (free education for the kids, free health insurance, free college tuition) just so that their stream of cheap labor will continue. It's gross. And, definitely amoral.

Why are they coming here? The jobs.

Who is hiring them? Who is driving them up from the border by the truckload to work in their factories?

Hint: not the Dems.

Great! So lets stick it to those evil Republicans by not letting them have any illegals to hire. That'll show them! Lets secure our borders, deport illegal aliens we catch, and eliminate the wage stagnation problem that has plagued this nation since the early 70s.

[Anonymous]

All based on data easily spliced our for one portion of a sector in agriculture. Yeah, nah.

All political sides benefit from illegal immigration and legal immigration, and also are negatively impacted, each in unique ways. But it will take true rigor to gather all the data points and illustrate that fact and I have no motivation whatsoever to do that on an anonymous thread with people who don’t even seem to follow basics before my next meeting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

This is me also. Though, I am an immigrant who is already a citizen. I feel the same way as you do about all of those topics. Have traditionally voted Democratic.

I dislike Trump as a person. But I think both Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt.

Trump has my vote in 2020.

PP, look at the issues yourself. Watch the debates. Read about the positions of the Democrat candidates and see who you agree with more.

Both parties are craptastic. So, vote based on the issues.

So you want to vote for Trump based on the issues? Are you insane?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

You are a dem my dear. An atheist in the repub party? Ah no. Most dems are opposed to illegal immigration - we just want a humane solution. Kicking out DACA kids who don’t even speak their country’s language seems harsh.

What kind of solution?
So far all I hear from the dems is about letting people wait with relatives for their court date, providing schooling, free health insurance, free food, etc.
I do not support family separations or inhumane conditions in detention, but what is the solution to not letting more and more people overwhelm the system?
They may well be great people but I have seen first hand how they affect the schools when in large numbers.
I want to be able to stay where I live and not have to seek a school that is not like 65% ESOL and poor. Which btw drives me to charters.
It is unfortunate that neither side seems to offer a working solution; at least the republicans are not forcing me to pretend to “welcome them with open arms”.

Putting people in concentration camps and separating kids has been dramatically more expensive. Most people coming had people to stay with and jobs waiting for them when they came in to the country legally seeking amnesty. Follow the money. This has been one huge con and people are getting rich off of your tax money because of it.

Turn off you own source of propaganda.

Nobody is putting anybody in ‘concentration camps’.

And if they came into the country legally, then they are not part of the illegal immigration problem.

Seeking asylum is a legal means of entry into the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

I’ve been calling you sh1theads “amoral” for years. Try to keep up.

You know what's amoral?

Bringing in illegal immigrants as a way to keep wages low, and as a way to allow business owners to make more profits.

Who benefits from illegal immigration? Business who get cheap labor. That's it. Nobody else. Not the illegal immigrants, who have to accept crap wages, and live in crappy conditions. Not the middle class. It's a fantastic deal for wealthy business owners who can pay low wages and not offer health insurance.

Why else does illegal immigration continue?

What is amoral is the fact that Democrats encourage more illegal immigrants to risk their lives by promising them more free stuff here in the US (free education for the kids, free health insurance, free college tuition) just so that their stream of cheap labor will continue. It's gross. And, definitely amoral.

Why are they coming here? The jobs.

Who is hiring them? Who is driving them up from the border by the truckload to work in their factories?

Hint: not the Dems.

Great! So lets stick it to those evil Republicans by not letting them have any illegals to hire. That'll show them! Lets secure our borders, deport illegal aliens we catch, and eliminate the wage stagnation problem that has plagued this nation since the early 70s.

Our borders are secure and we do deport. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s amusing how “amoral” has become the Dems newest catchphrase. I guess they finally caught on that “racist” was so overused that normal people now ignore their hysteria. “Amoral” is headed that way too.

I’ve been calling you sh1theads “amoral” for years. Try to keep up.

You know what's amoral?

Bringing in illegal immigrants as a way to keep wages low, and as a way to allow business owners to make more profits.

Who benefits from illegal immigration? Business who get cheap labor. That's it. Nobody else. Not the illegal immigrants, who have to accept crap wages, and live in crappy conditions. Not the middle class. It's a fantastic deal for wealthy business owners who can pay low wages and not offer health insurance.

Why else does illegal immigration continue?

What is amoral is the fact that Democrats encourage more illegal immigrants to risk their lives by promising them more free stuff here in the US (free education for the kids, free health insurance, free college tuition) just so that their stream of cheap labor will continue. It's gross. And, definitely amoral.

Why are they coming here? The jobs.

Who is hiring them? Who is driving them up from the border by the truckload to work in their factories?

Hint: not the Dems.

Actually, it is the Dems. And the Republicans. Both.

In poultry, almost all political $ goes to GOP. I’ve posted the research/math on here before.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/exploitation-and-abuse-at-the-chicken-plant

Great!

I agree with the other PP. Clamp down on illegal immigration and dam up the supply of illegal immigrants and cheap labor. Make those Republican business owners suffer.

Why don’t I hear a single Democratic candidate calling for that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel lost as well. I will (hopefully) be a naturalized citizen in 4 years. Who do I vote for?
I am an atheist and pro choice. I don’t care about gay marriage either way. I support school choice and charter schools. I also support science.
I am strongly opposed to illegal immigration, political correctness gone mad, social justice warfare, and everything along these lines. I guess I am neither liberal nor progressive in this sense.

This is me also. Though, I am an immigrant who is already a citizen. I feel the same way as you do about all of those topics. Have traditionally voted Democratic.

I dislike Trump as a person. But I think both Democrats and Republicans are equally corrupt.

Trump has my vote in 2020.

PP, look at the issues yourself. Watch the debates. Read about the positions of the Democrat candidates and see who you agree with more.

Both parties are craptastic. So, vote based on the issues.

So you want to vote for Trump based on the issues? Are you insane?

Agree that you PP’s seem to have little in common with Trump. But little in common with popular Dem candidates either! Hence the notion of “feeling lost.”

This is what I hate in current politics: the idea that as a Democrat I have to be on board with the “platform.” Or you’re not a a viable candidate if you don’t agree with a “platform.”

Why don’t we have a Dem candidate who is:
Strong on crime
Against illegal immigration (but humane in handling deportations)
Pro environment
Pro choice
Pro science
Pro consumer protections
Reduce tax burden for middle and upper middle class
Robust foreign policy with reinvestment in diplomatic relations
Strengthen public education standards (as they have been incredibly weakened!)