Is this going too far? Always removes Venus symbol to acknowledge transmen who menstruate

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Like who cares?!

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

You're reading way too much into pad packaging.

Quite frankly, you sound hysterical.

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Anonymous wrote:For me (and many others I am assuming), the issue is not about removing the symbol.

It is about a product, intended solely for females, giving a nod to the concept that men menstruate.
This is insane. Sure, guys, call yourself a woman, but biologically, you are still male and cannot menstruate, give birth, or breastfeed.

I don't think it's biological men "menstruating." This is about people who were born into female bodies, that identify as men. Because their bodies are female, they will menstruate...but they consider themselves men, so they are "men who menstruate."

They are not men. Men don't menstruate.
It's simple biology.

OP draws in the hateful a-holes with her pot stirring. Nice job.

DP - it's not hateful. Males do not have menstrual cycles. At all. No matter how much they would like to.

Transgenders who identify as males do.

They do. But it is their female anatomy that allows this.

This process, menstruation, female puberty, coming to terms with your reproductive system, coming to terms with the way society wants to control and manage your reproductive system, all of this is fundamental to the female experience.

It is difficult for me to understand the desire to erase the distinction that transgender people feel so strongly about that they make such large lifestyle changes to address. A trans man does not feel like a woman, he identifies as a man. Why would he also want to erase the language that describes the difference between what he once was and what he is today?

Transgender people (and the LGBTQ community in general) have created an entire language to identify themselves, to talk about themselves and to advocate for themselves. All I believe is that women should be able to retain the language that we use to identify ourselves and discuss our experience and to advocate for themselves.

A number of us have already told you that we don't care about a Venus symbol on packaging and we don't feel like we can't discuss our experience without it. I'm happy to talk all day about being a woman and what it means to me and the last thing on my mind is whether a Venus symbol is in the general vicinity or not. Sorry, pp, but you need to relax a little.

The venus symbol doesn't really bother me either. Just a stupid marketing ploy. I also haven't been commenting until the last page or so. I'm not OP or almost any of the PPs.

I'm not saying this is some huge deal in and of itself. Just saying I object to sanitizing language about menstrual cycles of gendered terms. That is really what the conversation is. A single period product company's decision doesn't matter at all, its whether this is a trend and what that means.

This.

It’s not about the Venus symbol; it’s about removing a perceived gender identifier from a product out of an over abundance of pandering to a vocal specialty group...and what’s next.

Again: it’s interesting how a critic was shut down and basically called a hysterical liar for raising the issue on Maher’s show, and then this came out. So, what’s next? Maher and Ronan didn’t seem to think this could ever happen, but they were wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

+1000 It's incredibly disconcerting that we now have to censor ourselves when stating basic biology. Ridiculous. Scientific facts are inherently PC.

Oh you poor victims.

Well that would actually be the trans folk who are complaining about the insensitivity of the mere existence of scientific facts.

Who is doing that? Examples of these "trans folk complaining about scientific facts"?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

And here we have the anti-trans language from the extremist group in Shirlington — American Principles Project.

Hopefully you are getting paid to spread this hateful PROPAGANDA.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

And here we have the anti-trans language from the extremist group in Shirlington — American Principles Project.

Hopefully you are getting paid to spread this hateful PROPAGANDA.

How is not wanting a biological male to compete against a biological female propaganda?

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Anonymous wrote:Are you going to boycott their product because of this? Private company, they can do what they want.

I do. I absolutely don’t care about the packaging. If they would simply remove the Venus sign, I would continue to buy their product. If they made a political statement, no. As a pp stated, the packaging design done for the low IQ people. I don’t care if my pads will be wrapped in a plain brown paper as long as they do the work. However, I do care about the agenda that this company is trying to push on me. As a mother of three young girls, I don’t want to support the company who promotes equality between women and transgender men. One day, one of this transgender men will be competing against one of my girls in sports if I continue quietly with this propaganda just because it simply doesn’t hurts me now, like some of the posters said. Also, as a taxpayer, I don’t want to pay for any of the voluntary elective hormone replacement therapy, and for all the health consequences of this treatment that these transgenders will be facing in 20-30 years . This is just two examples, I have few more reasons, just don’t have time.

I think people who have this mentality “ If it doesn’t hurt me, I don’t care” are very narrow minded and failing to see a bigger picture.

You mean, the agenda of buying their menstrual products? If you don't want to, you don't have to. There are other products on the market. Or you can even make your own.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

+1000 It's incredibly disconcerting that we now have to censor ourselves when stating basic biology. Ridiculous. Scientific facts are inherently PC.

Oh you poor victims.

Well that would actually be the trans folk who are complaining about the insensitivity of the mere existence of scientific facts.

Who is doing that? Examples of these "trans folk complaining about scientific facts"?

Transmen who argue they aren't female, and thus the female symbol does not apply to them and should be removed from feminine hygiene products they require.
Transwomen who argue they aren't male, and thus can fairly participate in sex segregated sports for females.

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Transmen who argue they aren't female, and thus the female symbol does not apply to them and should be removed from feminine hygiene products they require.
Transwomen who argue they aren't male, and thus can fairly participate in sex segregated sports for females.

Naw, that's not scientific facts. That's your opinion. Which you're entitled to have.

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Transmen who argue they aren't female, and thus the female symbol does not apply to them and should be removed from feminine hygiene products they require.
Transwomen who argue they aren't male, and thus can fairly participate in sex segregated sports for females.

Naw, that's not scientific facts. That's your opinion. Which you're entitled to have.

Lol. Science deniers

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Transmen who argue they aren't female, and thus the female symbol does not apply to them and should be removed from feminine hygiene products they require.
Transwomen who argue they aren't male, and thus can fairly participate in sex segregated sports for females.

Naw, that's not scientific facts. That's your opinion. Which you're entitled to have.

Lol. Science deniers

Also no. Here, I'll help you out.

Scientific fact: typically, humans who are female have two X chromosomes.
Not a scientific fact: it's not fair for transwomen to compete in sex-segregated sports with ciswomen.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Language evolves. Do you disagree?

Do you still say fag? Retarded? Gay? Colored?

Keep up!

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Language evolves. Do you disagree?

Do you still say fag? Retarded? Gay? Colored?

Keep up!

Lots of people say gay still. And now lesbian and transgendered and cis and bisexual and asexual and pansexual all kind of things. And that's great! I personally am not willing to put "woman" in the same historical trash pile as fag ffs.

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Anonymous wrote:These conversations are so bizarre. Trans men identify as men, but that doesn’t change their female biology, which is exactly why they are TRANS men rather than CIS. Likewise, menstruation is a fact of female biology, which stands apart from gender identity.

Is this fact bigoted? Is acknowledging it bigoted? If so, I don’t know what to say, save that the denial of facts in favor of ideological commitment doesn’t strike me as virtuous.

No but understanding your 1st paragraph to be true and wanting trans men to not express what they want for menstrual
Products is bigoted.

It's fine for trans men (or anyone) to express what they want in product marketing. Lord knows that trans men aren't alone in disliking gender stereotypes in marketing. However, it's NOT bigoted to be annoyed that trans men essentially want to hijack and outlaw an entire way of speaking (and erase entire, very important categories of identity) just because they claim it excludes them. I get it, some parturients do not identify as women. But to forbid anyone from saying "pregnant woman" or talk about motherhood as a general experience is to basically erase the experience of women and not allow them to talk about it ... including the ways they experience subjugation due to their sex.

Language evolves. Do you disagree?

Do you still say fag? Retarded? Gay? Colored?

Keep up!

Lots of people say gay still. And now lesbian and transgendered and cis and bisexual and asexual and pansexual all kind of things. And that's great! I personally am not willing to put "woman" in the same historical trash pile as fag ffs.

You're so gay!