New study on relative impact of Harvard Admissions Preferences

[Anonymous]

Do you think affirmative action ends with college admissions? My firm goes to extraordinary lengths to recruit and retain URMs.....and it usually doesn’t end well.

[Anonymous]

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So because the numbers wouldn’t change you’re ok with it. So it’s not the meritocracy or lack thereof that bothers you it’s anything that lowers the number of white people.

The US college age population is roughly 51% white, 14% black, 25% Hispanic, 5% Asian.

Harvard said that in the class of 2022, "46 percent said they are white, 18.1 percent of surveyed students identified as Asian, 14.3 percent as multiracial, 10.7 percent as Black or African American, 6.5 percent as Hispanic or Latino, 3.8 percent as South Asian"

On grounds of fairness and to make Harvard representative of the overall population, there is no case for reducing white numbers. If they wanted to raise black and Hispanic numbers that would have to come at the expense of Asians and "multiracials".

And the statistics for those actually prepared for college work (as measured by ACT performance - which is a measure of actual mastery of high school material) have even more racially skewed proportions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think affirmative action ends with college admissions? My firm goes to extraordinary lengths to recruit and retain URMs.....and it usually doesn’t end well.

College admissions does NOT practice affirmative action. If you knew anything about either you would know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So because the numbers wouldn’t change you’re ok with it. So it’s not the meritocracy or lack thereof that bothers you it’s anything that lowers the number of white people.

The US college age population is roughly 51% white, 14% black, 25% Hispanic, 5% Asian.

Harvard said that in the class of 2022, "46 percent said they are white, 18.1 percent of surveyed students identified as Asian, 14.3 percent as multiracial, 10.7 percent as Black or African American, 6.5 percent as Hispanic or Latino, 3.8 percent as South Asian"

On grounds of fairness and to make Harvard representative of the overall population, there is no case for reducing white numbers. If they wanted to raise black and Hispanic numbers that would have to come at the expense of Asians and "multiracials".

And the statistics for those actually prepared for college work (as measured by ACT performance - which is a measure of actual mastery of high school material) have even more racially skewed proportions.

Thomas Sowell’s explanation:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.staugustine.com/article/20151216/opinion/312169950%3ftemplate=ampart

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So because the numbers wouldn’t change you’re ok with it. So it’s not the meritocracy or lack thereof that bothers you it’s anything that lowers the number of white people.

The US college age population is roughly 51% white, 14% black, 25% Hispanic, 5% Asian.

Harvard said that in the class of 2022, "46 percent said they are white, 18.1 percent of surveyed students identified as Asian, 14.3 percent as multiracial, 10.7 percent as Black or African American, 6.5 percent as Hispanic or Latino, 3.8 percent as South Asian"

On grounds of fairness and to make Harvard representative of the overall population, there is no case for reducing white numbers. If they wanted to raise black and Hispanic numbers that would have to come at the expense of Asians and "multiracials".

And the statistics for those actually prepared for college work (as measured by ACT performance - which is a measure of actual mastery of high school material) have even more racially skewed proportions.

Thomas Sowell’s explanation:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.staugustine.com/article/20151216/opinion/312169950%3ftemplate=ampart

Show your own college readiness by summarizing it in your own words. Or did your STEMlord "education" not prepare you for that.

[Anonymous]

Funny how much bad information racist people peddle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny how much bad information racist people peddle.

Sowell is a racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how much bad information racist people peddle.

Sowell is a racist?

Sowell probably isn't, but many of his fans are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Funny how much bad information racist people peddle.

Sowell is a racist?

Condoleezza Rice is a republican partly because the worst type of racists she saw are liberal dems. I am guessing because dems are always pushing for charity, many feel freer to express their racist side.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do you think affirmative action ends with college admissions? My firm goes to extraordinary lengths to recruit and retain URMs.....and it usually doesn’t end well.

Do you have quantifiable information from your HR department backing this up? I only say this because it's important to know your facts. You could be very wrong you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

I think you are glorifying the ol’ alumni network that exists everywhere. While recruiters may come to Harvard, they may not to smaller liberal arts colleges. At smaller liberal arts colleges, alums fly their students to various companies in indifferent parts of the country for network.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think affirmative action ends with college admissions? My firm goes to extraordinary lengths to recruit and retain URMs.....and it usually doesn’t end well.

Do you have quantifiable information from your HR department backing this up? I only say this because it's important to know your facts. You could be very wrong you know.

Do you have quantifiable information from Harvard on what percentage of URMs are native U.S. born and raised vs. foreign blacks who are full pay? And what percentage of URMs are biracial (often from privileged backgrounds)? Once you tease out these numbers, you'll be surprised by how few blacks students there are at Harvard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

That’s right, unless you are a rapist, you should never talk about rape in this country, never try a rapist as an attorney, never treat a rape victim as a medical doctor, and never judge a rapist as a judge. Unless you are a Harvey Weinstein predator, never talk about the me to movement in this country - just take a seat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.