New study on relative impact of Harvard Admissions Preferences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

You’re utterly deluded and a bit of an idiot if you think standardized test scores are that easily manipulated. Run along now.

[Anonymous]

All schools should scrap legacy and children of faculty and staff admits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All schools should scrap legacy and children of faculty and staff admits.

All schools should scrap handicapping URM applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

PP seems to be suggesting DCUMMers should all be sending love notes to each other in the college forum. Lame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

I think you’re a Nazi for disagreeing with my characterization of you as a Nazi.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

Affirmative action is central to college admissions....it extends handicaps to URMs in the admissions process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

Affirmative action is central to college admissions....it extends handicaps to URMs in the admissions process.

No, it is not. Colleges don't (with a few exceptions) practice affirmative action, which by definition is "the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

What colleges do is seek a racial balance among their cohort that to some degree mirrors the general population. They feel this helps them better achieve their mission and goals. You can disagree with them that they SHOULD -- but calling it affirmative action is disingenuous at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

Affirmative action is central to college admissions....it extends handicaps to URMs in the admissions process.

No, it is not. Colleges don't (with a few exceptions) practice affirmative action, which by definition is "the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

What colleges do is seek a racial balance among their cohort that to some degree mirrors the general population. They feel this helps them better achieve their mission and goals. You can disagree with them that they SHOULD -- but calling it affirmative action is disingenuous at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

How about a racial balance in the nba and nfl? I’d like to see some nerdy Jewish professor and geeky Asian medical doctor types breaking all the stereotypes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

Affirmative action is central to college admissions....it extends handicaps to URMs in the admissions process.

No, it is not. Colleges don't (with a few exceptions) practice affirmative action, which by definition is "the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

What colleges do is seek a racial balance among their cohort that to some degree mirrors the general population. They feel this helps them better achieve their mission and goals. You can disagree with them that they SHOULD -- but calling it affirmative action is disingenuous at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

How about a racial balance in the nba and nfl? I’d like to see some nerdy Jewish professor and geeky Asian medical doctor types breaking all the stereotypes.

God this is always the stupidest example. You should stop using it, seriously. But I will try and answer:

If NFL and NBA owners believed a racial balance would better help them achieve their goals, they would do it immediately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

Affirmative action is central to college admissions....it extends handicaps to URMs in the admissions process.

No, it is not. Colleges don't (with a few exceptions) practice affirmative action, which by definition is "the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

What colleges do is seek a racial balance among their cohort that to some degree mirrors the general population. They feel this helps them better achieve their mission and goals. You can disagree with them that they SHOULD -- but calling it affirmative action is disingenuous at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

Good lord you’re stupid. Giving handicaps to URMs is the very definition of affirmative action. You might argue if it is right or wrong but to deny it happens it absurd. Google the data from the Harvard lawsuit and you’ll see the substantially lower scores of black admits. And I’d also question the premise that any population should mirror the racial composition of the country.....that mindset is discriminatory from the outset. You’re arguing for regressive quotas.....Jews are 2% of the population so why should they take 25% of the slots at Harvard? You know why....because they earned them with their qualifications whilst others rely on handicaps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the case of Asians vs Rich White legacy folks they both cheat to get in.

High ACT/SAT scores can be manipulated as well as GPA. Which Asians are often experts at.

Blacks, Spanish and non connected whites lose spots to the well off whites and Asians.

ACT is a joke, anyone who takes it 3-6 times and pay for expensive tutors can get a 34-36. AP classes are a joke as teachers fear giving less than an A and with tutors anyone can shine. Volunteer work is a joke as poor cant afford to do it.

Try going to a crappy HS with no AP and parents on welfare. Would love to see average score of so called Tiger Moms kids if they had to do it in that environment.

I disagree intensely with the white supremacist anti-affirmative action posters and feel pity for the Asian-Americans who think the Nazis are their friends. But, it's pretty stupid to say that all Asians are rich or cheat. At the majority Asian-American specialized high schools that send a lot of students to elite schools like Harvard (e.g. Lowell in San Francisco or Stuyvesant in NYC), most of the Asian-American students are poor enough to qualify for free/reduced lunch. Some of the top students in DC public schools are Asian-Americans who live in Chinatown's Mansion Square (4th and K NW), which is a project-based Section 8 building.

It’s really obscene for some DCUM leftists to characterize an anti-affirmative action position as a white supremecist view. Worse is to characterize Asians who take this stance as Nazis. Do you even know what Jews experienced during WW2 for you to use this term so loosely? Just because someone disagree with you doesn’t mean they are Nazis. Get real.

Here's a solution: don't talk about affirmative action in the college forum, since affirmative action has nothing to do with colleges or college admissions.

Affirmative action is central to college admissions....it extends handicaps to URMs in the admissions process.

No, it is not. Colleges don't (with a few exceptions) practice affirmative action, which by definition is "the practice or policy of favoring individuals belonging to groups known to have been discriminated against previously."

What colleges do is seek a racial balance among their cohort that to some degree mirrors the general population. They feel this helps them better achieve their mission and goals. You can disagree with them that they SHOULD -- but calling it affirmative action is disingenuous at best, and purposefully misleading at worst.

How about a racial balance in the nba and nfl? I’d like to see some nerdy Jewish professor and geeky Asian medical doctor types breaking all the stereotypes.

God this is always the stupidest example. You should stop using it, seriously. But I will try and answer:

If NFL and NBA owners believed a racial balance would better help them achieve their goals, they would do it immediately.

And if a racial balance would help colleges and universities, they would do it immediately without affirmative action. Despite affirmative action, blacks and Hispanics still lag behind at elite colleges and universities. And even at Harvard which is supposedly 15% black, if you break the stats down to US born and raised African-Americans, foreign blacks (full pay), biracials (affluent) you might find that Harvard is using affirmative action because it fits its own agenda of helping itself. They provide very little aid to truly deserving African-Americans.

[Anonymous]

Asian Americans were not slaves, but experienced everything else and were also subject to concentration camps during WWII.


No, only Japanese were persecuted. It looks like the hardship only made them more motivated to be high stats and aspire to get into ivies, look at the % of kids with top SAT scores. It's a cultural difference, the parents push these kids from early on, tutoring, ECs, making them responsible for the success of the whole family. They are not smarter than any other race, they are just harder-working. The others say "you don't have to work harder, just smarter". I don't know which one is better. In the end, only having a fun secure job, enough money for a house, a car and a vacation should be enough. I think they work that hard not because they like it that much but because they are insecure.

[Anonymous]

If you push for affirmative action based on a holistic review, just accept the fact that people are going to holistically evaluate the value of these watered-down degrees long after people have left college. They’re doing exactly the same thing that Harvard is doing by downgrading certain degrees. A Harvard degree for affirmative action applicants is probably at the same level as the University of Maryland College Park degree. That is not to disparage UMCP. There’s a thread on here about how difficult it is to get into UMCP. UMCP is an accomplishment