New study on relative impact of Harvard Admissions Preferences

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and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

Having worked in finance for years, the two predictors of success in finance are a wealth of unearned self confidence and a dearth of morality. They don’t care if you’re smart except in the quant houses but consulting and traditional investment banking and trading firms just want someone willing to sell their mother to make a buck.

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Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

Columbia has financial engineering major. I believe NYU and UC Berkeley also has similar major.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

Columbia has financial engineering major. I believe NYU and UC Berkeley also has similar major.

And?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

Columbia has financial engineering major. I believe NYU and UC Berkeley also has similar major.

And?

Finance jobs are still available to stem majors. I think at Columbia, a student starts out with typical engineering prerequisites. By junior year when engineering students are choosing their speciality, finance is one of the options along with the usual CS, chemical, electrical, material engineering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

And?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

Zuckerberg did not graduat from Harvard. Harvard needs smart people. Smart ones don’t need Harvard.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

Zuckerberg did not graduat from Harvard. Harvard needs smart people. Smart ones don’t need Harvard.

And how is that relevant to this post? He went to Harvard and was not a STEM major. It did not prevent him from becoming the richest man in the world after dropping out. But without Harvard there would have been no Facebook. So it mattered a ton. He had his cofounders and a bunch of Harvard students that used the first iteration of Facebook that was open to Harvard students. There are tons of non STEM majors at Facebook, Uber and Google. They are also running tons of private equity firms and Wall Street firms. The “soft majors” do OK.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

Zuckerberg did not graduat from Harvard. Harvard needs smart people. Smart ones don’t need Harvard.

And how is that relevant to this post? He went to Harvard and was not a STEM major. It did not prevent him from becoming the richest man in the world after dropping out. But without Harvard there would have been no Facebook. So it mattered a ton. He had his cofounders and a bunch of Harvard students that used the first iteration of Facebook that was open to Harvard students. There are tons of non STEM majors at Facebook, Uber and Google. They are also running tons of private equity firms and Wall Street firms. The “soft majors” do OK.

Z attended Philips Exester private boarding school as a High schooler. Philips used Facebook prototype within its campus for students to communicate. If Harvard used it after Z arrived, it was behind Phillips, a high school. Z never graduated from Harvard. It must have been a waste of time for Z to leave without a degree.

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This thread is really stupid.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is really stupid.

A thread is made up of people who come in like you to chime in.

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Anonymous wrote:of course they are

and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

Zuckerberg did not graduat from Harvard. Harvard needs smart people. Smart ones don’t need Harvard.

And how is that relevant to this post? He went to Harvard and was not a STEM major. It did not prevent him from becoming the richest man in the world after dropping out. But without Harvard there would have been no Facebook. So it mattered a ton. He had his cofounders and a bunch of Harvard students that used the first iteration of Facebook that was open to Harvard students. There are tons of non STEM majors at Facebook, Uber and Google. They are also running tons of private equity firms and Wall Street firms. The “soft majors” do OK.

Z attended Philips Exester private boarding school as a High schooler. Philips used Facebook prototype within its campus for students to communicate. If Harvard used it after Z arrived, it was behind Phillips, a high school. Z never graduated from Harvard. It must have been a waste of time for Z to leave without a degree.

That’s not the name of the school and your version of the this story is not correct. The founders of Facebook were his Harvard roommates. Widely know facts, well documented and with stupid moving featuring the story. If you don’t like Harvard don’t go or send your kid and stop posting about its admission policies.

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and India and China don't care and take the top scores period

The american college system is different it's holistic vs score based

And Harvard affirmative action students’ post-graduation life chances aren’t really great. Employers take holistic view when sizing up applicants. They don’t always take top USNews ranking school students, often taking lower tile students, lower gpa, etc based on their holistic evaluation. Black Harvard graduates apparently don’t do well in the labor force under holistic evaluation. Same thing Harvard is doing.

Have you ever worked with or known black grads from Harvard undergrad? How about from the Ivy league?

Do you even have any black friends? You don't know what you are talking about. All students from Harvard have their pick of jobs, apparently you don't understand how the system works.

What is the source of this info? In computer science or other practical fields, seniors around January meet recruiters who come to their campus and sign up for jobs there. But this is true at state universities. But I don’t know if liberal arts majors at harvard get to pick their jobs. That would be interesting. You’re not saying that they’re better connected through their alumni network and hence has a better chance. You’re saying they get to pick their jobs. So what is your source.?

And you should quit insulting people here with a question about if I have any black friends.

If you don't understand what jobs liberal arts majors have their pick of - then you don't understand how the system works. Ivy league students have direct pathways into top tier financial firms and consulting companies. And oh by the way you don't have to be a computer science or engineering major to land a job at a top technology company. Many many F500 companies have specialized recruiting for the Ivies which is BTW akin to affirmative action - setting up slots for Ivy League students - this is what happens. Just like parents kill themselves to get into these schools, companies do the same thing.

Senior year to meet recruiters for CS jobs? Ah nope.

If you don't come from that world or don't have an up close seat to experiencing it, then you need to take a seat.

All of those jobs, at least in consulting and certainly finance, are still open to STEM majors. In fact, the elite finance jobs prefer STEM majors. They just want smart people regardless of particular area of study. A STEM major doesn't close any doors the way an English major does.

That is just not true. The elite jobs, those that are facing the public are filled by all kinds of Ivy no stem students!!! The back office jobs (where there is little chance of promotion or seeing the public) are filled by STEM and state U. You don’t get to make millions 5 years out on that track.

You honestly don't sound like someone with a clue about elite jobs of any sort.

Really! Goldman is run by a Harvard history major;Facebook was founded by a Harvard psychology major who won classics awards in high school.

Zuckerberg did not graduat from Harvard. Harvard needs smart people. Smart ones don’t need Harvard.

And how is that relevant to this post? He went to Harvard and was not a STEM major. It did not prevent him from becoming the richest man in the world after dropping out. But without Harvard there would have been no Facebook. So it mattered a ton. He had his cofounders and a bunch of Harvard students that used the first iteration of Facebook that was open to Harvard students. There are tons of non STEM majors at Facebook, Uber and Google. They are also running tons of private equity firms and Wall Street firms. The “soft majors” do OK.

Z attended Philips Exester private boarding school as a High schooler. Philips used Facebook prototype within its campus for students to communicate. If Harvard used it after Z arrived, it was behind Phillips, a high school. Z never graduated from Harvard. It must have been a waste of time for Z to leave without a degree.

That’s not the name of the school and your version of the this story is not correct. The founders of Facebook were his Harvard roommates. Widely know facts, well documented and with stupid moving featuring the story. If you don’t like Harvard don’t go or send your kid and stop posting about its admission policies.

That Z got his FB idea from Phiilips high school is common knowledge.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/readwrite.com/2009/05/10/mark_zuckerberg_inspiration_for_facebook_before_harvard/amp/