Life after church & not believing in God

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. The bottom line is that evidence from 2000+ years ago is really hard to come by. Yet the evidence for Jesus—Paul, the Gospels, Tacitus, Josephus—is pretty darn good for the era. Some of this may be contemporary, or written a few decades afterwards by people who knew Jesus. Other sources (Tacitus, Josephus) are from disinterested parties.

Atheist pp has tried to discredit all of it, but that’s a leap in itself and she’s been forced to come up with various “what ifs ” like schizophrenia.

Almost all (all?) serious scholars disagree with pp’s claim that Jesus as a person never existed. Whether you believe in his message of faith and salvation is a different matter, one of faith.

Who claimed that? I didn't see that on this thread at all.

Still waiting on an answer to this.

Are you just making up some stories of your own?

Immediate PP’s thought process: “ZOMG, 14:14 laid it all out pretty well, and I look like a whiny person who dumps on epileptics. Time to bump some posts from previous pages. And then I’ll toss off a bunch of facile but basically content-free retorts to pps. That’ll bury their valid points but good! Because that’s what trolls like I do: we bury anything that makes us look bad under a heap of cheap, quickie posts.”

Trolling 101. Try to restart the discussion with something else. And endlessly repeat arguments that were disputed, as if they’re fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. The bottom line is that evidence from 2000+ years ago is really hard to come by. Yet the evidence for Jesus—Paul, the Gospels, Tacitus, Josephus—is pretty darn good for the era. Some of this may be contemporary, or written a few decades afterwards by people who knew Jesus. Other sources (Tacitus, Josephus) are from disinterested parties.

Atheist pp has tried to discredit all of it, but that’s a leap in itself and she’s been forced to come up with various “what ifs ” like schizophrenia.

Almost all (all?) serious scholars disagree with pp’s claim that Jesus as a person never existed. Whether you believe in his message of faith and salvation is a different matter, one of faith.

I haven't seen one claim that Jesus never existed - only that it isn't proven and scholars don't opine on his divinity -- it's beyond their purview.

Exactly.

PP likes "stories".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. The bottom line is that evidence from 2000+ years ago is really hard to come by. Yet the evidence for Jesus—Paul, the Gospels, Tacitus, Josephus—is pretty darn good for the era. Some of this may be contemporary, or written a few decades afterwards by people who knew Jesus. Other sources (Tacitus, Josephus) are from disinterested parties.

Atheist pp has tried to discredit all of it, but that’s a leap in itself and she’s been forced to come up with various “what ifs ” like schizophrenia.

Almost all (all?) serious scholars disagree with pp’s claim that Jesus as a person never existed. Whether you believe in his message of faith and salvation is a different matter, one of faith.

Who claimed that? I didn't see that on this thread at all.

Still waiting on an answer to this.

Are you just making up some stories of your own?

Immediate PP’s thought process: “ZOMG, 14:14 laid it all out pretty well, and I look like a whiny person who dumps on epileptics. Time to bump some posts from previous pages. And then I’ll toss off a bunch of facile but basically content-free retorts to pps. That’ll bury their valid points but good! Because that’s what trolls like I do: we bury anything that makes us look bad under a heap of cheap, quickie posts.”

Already responded to 14:14 (who didn't "lay it all out" - LOL).

I never posted about epileptics. You are mixing up posters.

Still waiting on an answer. Oh wait, you can't because you are all full of crap. No one said Jesus didn't exist. Just that it cannot be proven. Which is true.

[Anonymous]

Yawn. We’ve been discussing major theological issues and suddenly your scope narrows to the earth-shattering question of whether some pp got confused about what was said 5-10 pages ago, complete with ad homonyms against that pp.

You might as well tattoo “I don’t have any decent arguments” on your forehead.

Are you the OP who attended church for 9 years but couldn’t name the denomination? Troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yawn. We’ve been discussing major theological issues and suddenly your scope narrows to the earth-shattering question of whether some pp got confused about what was said 5-10 pages ago, complete with ad homonyms against that pp.

You might as well tattoo “I don’t have any decent arguments” on your forehead.

Are you the OP who attended church for 9 years but couldn’t name the denomination? Troll.

Points have been made again and again. Sorry, you’re having a tough time keeping up.

And, again, NO ONE CLAIMED JESUS DIDN’T LIVE.

No, I’m not the OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn. We’ve been discussing major theological issues and suddenly your scope narrows to the earth-shattering question of whether some pp got confused about what was said 5-10 pages ago, complete with ad homonyms against that pp.

You might as well tattoo “I don’t have any decent arguments” on your forehead.

Are you the OP who attended church for 9 years but couldn’t name the denomination? Troll.

Points have been made again and again. Sorry, you’re having a tough time keeping up.

And, again, NO ONE CLAIMED JESUS DIDN’T LIVE.

No, I’m not the OP.

If the tattoo idea doesn’t appeal, you could always wave a white surrender flag.

Or just keep beating that stupid drum about some pp not reading the whole thread—by yourself, because it’s idiotic.

[Anonymous]

DCUM needs to upgrade its trolls. Or upgrade its atheists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM needs to upgrade its trolls. Or upgrade its atheists.

?? That's not really helpful. O.k., Jesus probably did live, but the Jesus myth was largely created by Paul. He became a convert when he was on the road to Damascus and had a "vision" in which he heard Jesus speak to him. No one else was there so we are expected to accept Paul's word for this. Of course if that happened today, the person might well be committed to a mental hospital. That assumes he didn't just make the whole thing up for his own purposes. He then wrote about the stories that had been floating around via oral traditions. Some of it may be true, some very unlikely - but the point is that none of it can be confirmed nor documented and Paul's writing is really advocacy for a point of view. If you believe, that's fine but there's no basis for believing any of it is truth.

[Anonymous]

Question: does the atheist org still pay you if you have a bad day trolling religious social media sites?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM needs to upgrade its trolls. Or upgrade its atheists.

?? That's not really helpful. O.k., Jesus probably did live, but the Jesus myth was largely created by Paul. He became a convert when he was on the road to Damascus and had a "vision" in which he heard Jesus speak to him. No one else was there so we are expected to accept Paul's word for this. Of course if that happened today, the person might well be committed to a mental hospital. That assumes he didn't just make the whole thing up for his own purposes. He then wrote about the stories that had been floating around via oral traditions. Some of it may be true, some very unlikely - but the point is that none of it can be confirmed nor documented and Paul's writing is really advocacy for a point of view. If you believe, that's fine but there's no basis for believing any of it is truth.

There’s no reason for believing Paul made it up for the bizarre personal motives you’re giving him, either. In fact, between Paul and your weird conspiracy theories and allusions to mental hospitals, most people would probably choose Paul.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question: does the atheist org still pay you if you have a bad day trolling religious social media sites?

Just keep it up; it adds so much to the conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM needs to upgrade its trolls. Or upgrade its atheists.

?? That's not really helpful. O.k., Jesus probably did live, but the Jesus myth was largely created by Paul. He became a convert when he was on the road to Damascus and had a "vision" in which he heard Jesus speak to him. No one else was there so we are expected to accept Paul's word for this. Of course if that happened today, the person might well be committed to a mental hospital. That assumes he didn't just make the whole thing up for his own purposes. He then wrote about the stories that had been floating around via oral traditions. Some of it may be true, some very unlikely - but the point is that none of it can be confirmed nor documented and Paul's writing is really advocacy for a point of view. If you believe, that's fine but there's no basis for believing any of it is truth.

There’s no reason for believing Paul made it up for the bizarre personal motives you’re giving him, either. In fact, between Paul and your weird conspiracy theories and allusions to mental hospitals, most people would probably choose Paul.

Most people HAVE chosen Paul. PP’s spurious references to conspiracies and mental hospitals not withstanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question: does the atheist org still pay you if you have a bad day trolling religious social media sites?

Just keep it up; it adds so much to the conversation.

Like calling a pp “full of crap” because she forgot what happened earlier in the thread? You lead the way!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM needs to upgrade its trolls. Or upgrade its atheists.

?? That's not really helpful. O.k., Jesus probably did live, but the Jesus myth was largely created by Paul. He became a convert when he was on the road to Damascus and had a "vision" in which he heard Jesus speak to him. No one else was there so we are expected to accept Paul's word for this. Of course if that happened today, the person might well be committed to a mental hospital. That assumes he didn't just make the whole thing up for his own purposes. He then wrote about the stories that had been floating around via oral traditions. Some of it may be true, some very unlikely - but the point is that none of it can be confirmed nor documented and Paul's writing is really advocacy for a point of view. If you believe, that's fine but there's no basis for believing any of it is truth.

There’s no reason for believing Paul made it up for the bizarre personal motives you’re giving him, either. In fact, between Paul and your weird conspiracy theories and allusions to mental hospitals, most people would probably choose Paul.

Based on what? Who said "bizarre" personal motives? What weird conspiracy theories? As you know Paul was a rival to Peter and started his own churches that were often at odds theologically with Peter. I don't know what motivated him. I'm pretty sure that anyone who claims Jesus spoke to them must be regarded with bit of skepticism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question: does the atheist org still pay you if you have a bad day trolling religious social media sites?

Just keep it up; it adds so much to the conversation.

Like calling a pp “full of crap” because she forgot what happened earlier in the thread? You lead the way!

?? sorry, I didn't do that. Not sure what you're talking about.