Toddler death on a cruise ship. So tragic

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Anonymous wrote:It's clear the window is open. He put her in that open window and lost his grip. I think the true story is the one that came out first.

I believe grandpa slid the window open so the baby could see outside. I don't think a cruise ship employee left that window open. Heartbreaking!

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Aren’t there cameras on cruise ships that should have captured everything?

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Anonymous wrote:My child's grandparent did something extremely stupid like this that would have caused DC's severe injury or death if not for a few lucky inches after my DC had a similar surprise reaction. And I was only feet away because it can happen that fast. DC's reaction wasn't a surprise to me because I know DC but Grandparent doesn't. Grandparents lived in a world without carseats and so some think we're all so silly with all our worrying and childproofing so they are overly lax and this is what happens. Watch your children around grandparents and don't let them guilt you into anything.

My father did something so stupid and reckless while we were at the lake. My kids and their cousins were on a banana boat getting ready to get towed into the open water. My father jumps on the jet ski and revs it and it spun out of control and came within inches of the banana boat. My brother yelled at him and was so mad. I thought he was going to kill our father. He hid the jet ski key from everyone. My father was almost in tears thinking about what he could have done to five of his grandchildren. It was super scary. I can still picture my sweet innocent kids and their cousins sitting on the banana boat waiting, and laughing at grandpa.

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My FIL does things like this too. We live off route 7 in Alexandria and he is no longer allowed to take them on walks because he was letting my 18mo twins not only walk without holding hands but run ahead of him along that main road with cars zooming by 3 feet away.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear the window is open. He put her in that open window and lost his grip. I think the true story is the one that came out first.

I believe grandpa slid the window open so the baby could see outside. I don't think a cruise ship employee left that window open. Heartbreaking!

I wrote this but now that I've seen the YT video, grandpa didn't open the window. He absolutely lifted that baby up to the railing so she could see the outside. I would venture to say that he lifted her up so she was standing on the railing.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, what are the odds he picked the ONE window missing the pane?

+1

This. I actually think he lifted her up to see out the open widow and feel the breeze. But when it all went wrong and she fell, that’s when he made up this story.

If you’re standing in front of an open window and don’t know it’s open, as he presumably was, then you’re possibly are impaired in some way.

I could totally see a grandpa having a few drinks in him, lifting the baby up on the railing, and then it all goes wrong.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:The story has changed at least three times. Now the parents are blaming the cruise ship.

Poor baby!

The cruise line has deeper pockets than the parents.

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Why would anyone put a toddler on a railing?

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It's very shrew/deceptive that the lawyer is publicizing a picture of the child at a hockey rink where the child is standing on THE GROUND next to clear hockey barriers to try to create the public message that on the ship the child was just standing on the ground and fell through a ground level window.

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I can’t fault the family for hiring a lawyer but his tactics are awful. It’s easy to see the best course of action with distance and hindsight, which, in my opinion would be to hire a lawyer to deal with media and public. Lawsuits and accusations can wait. The little boy that got thrown at MoA - his family hired a lawyer to repeat the family statement about privacy and ask news outlets not to publish L’s photo. I wish the lawyer here was more like that. This poor family.

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Anonymous wrote:I can’t fault the family for hiring a lawyer but his tactics are awful. It’s easy to see the best course of action with distance and hindsight, which, in my opinion would be to hire a lawyer to deal with media and public. Lawsuits and accusations can wait. The little boy that got thrown at MoA - his family hired a lawyer to repeat the family statement about privacy and ask news outlets not to publish L’s photo. I wish the lawyer here was more like that. This poor family.

I agree the lawsuit angle seems too soon. But I think they foresaw that the public was going to vilify grandpa based on the initial headlines that made it sound like he had dangled her off a ledge. Unlike the boy who was thrown at MoA, there is no third-party “bad guy” to take the brunt of the blame.

I refuse to judge them because the circumstances of the grandfather holding her just compound this awful death. It’s not just loss their dealing with, but likely guilt by the grandfather and possibly underlying feelings of blame. I keep asking myself could I forgive a parent for this? Could I forgive an in-law? Could my husband forgive one of my parents? It’s truly unfathomable and I imagine trying to steer the story line to blame the cruise ship is a defense mechanism more than an actual cash grab. These people are living a nightmare right now.

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I blame gravity. Who do I sue?

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Is criminal negligence in play?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear the window is open. He put her in that open window and lost his grip. I think the true story is the one that came out first.

I believe grandpa slid the window open so the baby could see outside. I don't think a cruise ship employee left that window open. Heartbreaking!

I wrote this but now that I've seen the YT video, grandpa didn't open the window. He absolutely lifted that baby up to the railing so she could see the outside. I would venture to say that he lifted her up so she was standing on the railing.

NP +1

I actually felt sick watching that YT video. What an awful tragedy.

And absolutely nothing to do with the cruise line. That type of stupidity and recklessness would kill a child anywhere at any time. I can't even imagine what the parents are feeling right now. Losing a child in such a horrific way and then the people you rely on to support you during that time are responsible for it. Heartbreaking

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Anonymous wrote:Is criminal negligence in play?

In the US, it would be endangerment or neglect not criminal though due to lack of intent (we hope). I gather in port, you get the local laws. So no guesses for that.