Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Ask ICE since they thought it was a bad idea.

"Matthew Albence, the acting deputy director of ICE, objected to the idea, telling the White House that there would be liability issues if a migrant were injured during transport. He also raised concerns that the agency’s budget had not been appropriated for that purpose.

In an email, Mr. Albence responded that the proposal would create “an unnecessary operational burden” on the department and added that he did not know how paying extra to transport migrants to another location was “a justified expenditure.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/us/politics/sanctuary-cities-trump.html

So this opens up other questions.

After they are released to the courts for processing, where do they go, and HOW do they get there?

my guess? many to California, which has MANY "welcoming" cities

From there, they can move to other "welcoming" cities in other states.

Let's face it. This has been the pattern before we even knew about sanctuary cities. Where did previous immigrants go? Hello, NYC! Hi, Washington, DC! Hey, Boston!

This ain't changing, folks!

So if this is "punishment," then many of you have been "suffering" for generations!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of course is that all these people are headed straight to the very same sanctuary city communities anyway to live 20 in a house in your neighborhoods. Good luck when they show up to your schools.

You really are POed your kids have to go to school with these nasty, dirty, ignorant, leechorous people aren't you? Scourge of the earth bringing you down.

The words YOU use to describe these people are Interesting and pretty telling. I dont think any of those things are true. But I like and any sane person can acknowledge that dumping hundreds of kids who dont speak English (or Spanish in some cases), cant read or write in their native language and are probably coming with emotional trauma from whatever they endured being marched across several countries into our schools will not end well. So yes. I would prefer those kids go to schools where the adults would welcome them with open arms

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Oh punish Democrats? How? You mean by acknowledging that taking on all these people and paying for their social services needs into your personal communities is a disaster that even the most uber liberal doesn't want to pay for?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Oh punish Democrats? How? You mean by acknowledging that taking on all these people and paying for their social services needs into your personal communities is a disaster that even the most uber liberal doesn't want to pay for?

Still waiting for an answer...

Do you think it is OK for the POTUS and his staff to "punish" Democrats?

Maybe I should phrase it in a different way: do you think it is OK for them to "stick it to the libs"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Oh punish Democrats? How? You mean by acknowledging that taking on all these people and paying for their social services needs into your personal communities is a disaster that even the most uber liberal doesn't want to pay for?

Still waiting for an answer...

Do you think it is OK for the POTUS and his staff to "punish" Democrats?

Maybe I should phrase it in a different way: do you think it is OK for them to "stick it to the libs"?

We disagree that it would be" sticking it to libs."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Ask ICE since they thought it was a bad idea.

"Matthew Albence, the acting deputy director of ICE, objected to the idea, telling the White House that there would be liability issues if a migrant were injured during transport. He also raised concerns that the agency’s budget had not been appropriated for that purpose.

In an email, Mr. Albence responded that the proposal would create “an unnecessary operational burden” on the department and added that he did not know how paying extra to transport migrants to another location was “a justified expenditure.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/us/politics/sanctuary-cities-trump.html

So this opens up other questions.

After they are released to the courts for processing, where do they go, and HOW do they get there?

my guess? many to California, which has MANY "welcoming" cities

From there, they can move to other "welcoming" cities in other states.

Let's face it. This has been the pattern before we even knew about sanctuary cities. Where did previous immigrants go? Hello, NYC! Hi, Washington, DC! Hey, Boston!

This ain't changing, folks!

So if this is "punishment," then many of you have been "suffering" for generations!

You Trump supporters are such idiots. The administration is talking about loading people up and just dropping them somewhere without giving any notice to the asylum applicants or to the city, county, or any organization at the destination. That is not a professional way to do anything ever, no matter where you are dumping people. Many of the asylum applicants have family or friends or some other connections in the U.S. and that is who they would contact and where they would go if allowed to choose. Almost every city has non-profit groups that are willing to help the people with food, shelter, and actually ask them about any family or acquaintances in the U.S. But the White House is not talking about coordinating with those groups. The White House assholes are talking about dropping a few hundred people off at Nancy Pelosi's house.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Oh punish Democrats? How? You mean by acknowledging that taking on all these people and paying for their social services needs into your personal communities is a disaster that even the most uber liberal doesn't want to pay for?

Still waiting for an answer...

Do you think it is OK for the POTUS and his staff to "punish" Democrats?

Maybe I should phrase it in a different way: do you think it is OK for them to "stick it to the libs"?

We disagree that it would be" sticking it to libs."

If it's something that Trump thinks is "sticking it to the libs"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Ask Kate Steinle’s father

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Ask Kate Steinle’s father

I'm asking you. Are YOU ok if Trump is trying to "stick it to the libs"?

[Anonymous]

Yes please, let's hear the policy rationale for transporting asylum seekers halfway across the country and dropping them off on a random street corner in San Francisco.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Oh punish Democrats? How? You mean by acknowledging that taking on all these people and paying for their social services needs into your personal communities is a disaster that even the most uber liberal doesn't want to pay for?

Still waiting for an answer...

Do you think it is OK for the POTUS and his staff to "punish" Democrats?

Maybe I should phrase it in a different way: do you think it is OK for them to "stick it to the libs"?

And we maintain it's not punishment if it's something you vote for and support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

Their intentions were to give you want you wanted. How is that punishment if you've stated via your laws that illegal immigrants are a joy to have?

You're being intellectually dishonest. We know that Trump and Miller saw this plan as a negative thing - a punishment. The whistle blower said "the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats".

Regardless of what the actual plan is, do you have a problem with the POTUS and his White House staff looking for ways to PUNISH US citizens?

Ask Kate Steinle’s father

I'm asking you. Are YOU ok if Trump is trying to "stick it to the libs"?

If, as a lib, you mean those that not only support sanctuary cities/counties/towns but vote for people you do? Yes. You are simply being given what you vote for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of course is that all these people are headed straight to the very same sanctuary city communities anyway to live 20 in a house in your neighborhoods. Good luck when they show up to your schools.

You really are POed your kids have to go to school with these nasty, dirty, ignorant, leechorous people aren't you? Scourge of the earth bringing you down.

The words YOU use to describe these people are Interesting and pretty telling. I dont think any of those things are true. But I like and any sane person can acknowledge that dumping hundreds of kids who dont speak English (or Spanish in some cases), cant read or write in their native language and are probably coming with emotional trauma from whatever they endured being marched across several countries into our schools will not end well. So yes. I would prefer those kids go to schools where the adults would welcome them with open arms

Grew up in AZ and had many classmates who were ESL students. It really want an issue. I don’t understand people here who keep harping on this. Most kids watch TV. They will pick up English quickly. It takes about a year of full immersion at school. Having ESL kids at school is irrelevant for white English-speaking kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes please, let's hear the policy rationale for transporting asylum seekers halfway across the country and dropping them off on a random street corner in San Francisco.

We already transport them from the centers. Some are in California, some are in Texas/New Mexico. They are then moved all over the country. Why not put them in towns/cities where voters want them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The irony of course is that all these people are headed straight to the very same sanctuary city communities anyway to live 20 in a house in your neighborhoods. Good luck when they show up to your schools.

You really are POed your kids have to go to school with these nasty, dirty, ignorant, leechorous people aren't you? Scourge of the earth bringing you down.

The words YOU use to describe these people are Interesting and pretty telling. I dont think any of those things are true. But I like and any sane person can acknowledge that dumping hundreds of kids who dont speak English (or Spanish in some cases), cant read or write in their native language and are probably coming with emotional trauma from whatever they endured being marched across several countries into our schools will not end well. So yes. I would prefer those kids go to schools where the adults would welcome them with open arms

Grew up in AZ and had many classmates who were ESL students. It really want an issue. I don’t understand people here who keep harping on this. Most kids watch TV. They will pick up English quickly. It takes about a year of full immersion at school. Having ESL kids at school is irrelevant for white English-speaking kids.

Take a look at test scores. Now take a look at property values of homes that feed into the lower testing schools. That's why it's an issue. Because when a formerly good school gets worse because of an influx of ESL students (and gang violence in the upper schools), property values decline.