Sharp Objects HBO

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Anonymous wrote:That scene in the final episode - where the sheriff overslept. What was the significance of that? His wife usually woke first and put everything out for him, and that was their morning ritual. But in that episode he wakes up abruptly and she’s still in bed (not his bed, I don’t think). I was a bit confused but maybe I’m being dim?

It was interesting that before that she was always up first making his breakfast, so no questions were raised about them not sleeping in the same bed. Maybe revealing that they sleep separately was supposed to give some credence to the affair theory? Neither the sheriff or Adora sleep with their spouses.

Also, if the fan does represent Adora it could be a sign that the jig is up for her.

But they weren't sleeping separately. They both slept in the same bed. Adora and Alan, however, did not sleep together.

You’re right. I just rewatched that scene and they were in the same bed.

It all happened so fast; I missed a lot of details. I didn’t even notice her in the bed when he woke up, and I totally missed that the electricity went out. I wondered why his wife hasn’t been up before him, as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

You would think that after finding the bike in the pig cess pool, that investigators might actually search the pig processing plant—for you know—clues.

how do little Lolita wanna bees traipse into pig processing plant, steal coveralls, then replace them without being noticed by anyone who worked there.

the kid on the bike seemed like a spur of the moment crime given that it wasn’t a bike ride that happened with predictability, eg to and from school.

How did they collect enough blood to plant under weepy boy’s bed without contaminating it with their own dna or particles from the crime scene? Holding down a screaming girl in the woods wouldn’t exactly facilitate this. Plus investigators can tell how old blood is. You’d have to smear it when wet. Even if they had access to the guy’s house that’s a pretty interesting feat. They’d have to do it very quickly after the murder or refrigerate it.

There was a scene that showed that Amma had pretty free reign at her mom’s pig facility. I don’t think getting the coveralls would have been a problem.

Natalie was killed in her brother’s guest house apartment.

So why wasn’t the guest house searched at the time she went missing? Family is always suspected first. It would be hard not to get hair or other trace evidence left behind in addition to the blood. Odd that they didn’t habe blood on those clothes.

Nash’s daughter was killed in the Woods. Still not sure how they’d have the coveralls at the ready to randomly attack on her bike ride.

They knew that Ann Nash was going to be riding her bike—was she going to meet them at that creepy shack?—got the coveralls from the family pig farm (remember, that’s where Adora’s money comes from), and ambushed her as planned. The guys who worked at the farm probably thought it was “cute” that the girls wanted to wear the coveralls, so no sneaking necessary. Remember when Camille followed Amma around the farm with that one young worker? And it would probably be easy to put them back with the dirty ones from the day before.

The author should account for these things. You’re working hard to fill in her plot holes.

I’m not working that hard. It was established that the girls all met at the creepy shack; we saw Amma walking around the pig farm with a male employee. DH and I talked after the finale about these little clues that had been planted throughout, and had a fun time with it.

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Anonymous wrote:This answers a lot of the questions here: https://mashable.com/2018/08/27/sharp-objects-ending-explained-book-questions-answers/#M1zKBA5T7Oqp

The whole murky grandparents story line or who is my father is just over reach by the author.

If Nash was strangled with clothes line vs. a pair of hands police would be able to tell that too. So they were playing dress up with her in the woods, then two of the, slip on stinky pig slaughter overalls. If you wore overalls from a pig farm, you would stink to high heaven.

The story is so convoluted.

Still doesn’t explain why the mom would take the blame. Munchausen by proxy isn’t about love for your child—it’s about wanting symptathy for yourself.

You shouldn’t need a separate website to try explain the plot. The website is just guessing too like we are.

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

You would think that after finding the bike in the pig cess pool, that investigators might actually search the pig processing plant—for you know—clues.

how do little Lolita wanna bees traipse into pig processing plant, steal coveralls, then replace them without being noticed by anyone who worked there.

the kid on the bike seemed like a spur of the moment crime given that it wasn’t a bike ride that happened with predictability, eg to and from school.

How did they collect enough blood to plant under weepy boy’s bed without contaminating it with their own dna or particles from the crime scene? Holding down a screaming girl in the woods wouldn’t exactly facilitate this. Plus investigators can tell how old blood is. You’d have to smear it when wet. Even if they had access to the guy’s house that’s a pretty interesting feat. They’d have to do it very quickly after the murder or refrigerate it.

There was a scene that showed that Amma had pretty free reign at her mom’s pig facility. I don’t think getting the coveralls would have been a problem.

Natalie was killed in her brother’s guest house apartment.

So why wasn’t the guest house searched at the time she went missing? Family is always suspected first. It would be hard not to get hair or other trace evidence left behind in addition to the blood. Odd that they didn’t habe blood on those clothes.

Nash’s daughter was killed in the Woods. Still not sure how they’d have the coveralls at the ready to randomly attack on her bike ride.

They knew that Ann Nash was going to be riding her bike—was she going to meet them at that creepy shack?—got the coveralls from the family pig farm (remember, that’s where Adora’s money comes from), and ambushed her as planned. The guys who worked at the farm probably thought it was “cute” that the girls wanted to wear the coveralls, so no sneaking necessary. Remember when Camille followed Amma around the farm with that one young worker? And it would probably be easy to put them back with the dirty ones from the day before.

The author should account for these things. You’re working hard to fill in her plot holes.

I’m not working that hard. It was established that the girls all met at the creepy shack; we saw Amma walking around the pig farm with a male employee. DH and I talked after the finale about these little clues that had been planted throughout, and had a fun time with it.

The show alludes to these things but doesn’t really explain them. Amma says to the employee, hold on a sec, while I smuggle out these overalls in my what—daisy dukes? And sneak them back in without any one noticing they’re missing? Vague hints doesn’t make it plausible.

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

You would think that after finding the bike in the pig cess pool, that investigators might actually search the pig processing plant—for you know—clues.

how do little Lolita wanna bees traipse into pig processing plant, steal coveralls, then replace them without being noticed by anyone who worked there.

the kid on the bike seemed like a spur of the moment crime given that it wasn’t a bike ride that happened with predictability, eg to and from school.

How did they collect enough blood to plant under weepy boy’s bed without contaminating it with their own dna or particles from the crime scene? Holding down a screaming girl in the woods wouldn’t exactly facilitate this. Plus investigators can tell how old blood is. You’d have to smear it when wet. Even if they had access to the guy’s house that’s a pretty interesting feat. They’d have to do it very quickly after the murder or refrigerate it.

There was a scene that showed that Amma had pretty free reign at her mom’s pig facility. I don’t think getting the coveralls would have been a problem.

Natalie was killed in her brother’s guest house apartment.

So why wasn’t the guest house searched at the time she went missing? Family is always suspected first. It would be hard not to get hair or other trace evidence left behind in addition to the blood. Odd that they didn’t habe blood on those clothes.

Nash’s daughter was killed in the Woods. Still not sure how they’d have the coveralls at the ready to randomly attack on her bike ride.

They knew that Ann Nash was going to be riding her bike—was she going to meet them at that creepy shack?—got the coveralls from the family pig farm (remember, that’s where Adora’s money comes from), and ambushed her as planned. The guys who worked at the farm probably thought it was “cute” that the girls wanted to wear the coveralls, so no sneaking necessary. Remember when Camille followed Amma around the farm with that one young worker? And it would probably be easy to put them back with the dirty ones from the day before.

The author should account for these things. You’re working hard to fill in her plot holes.

I’m not working that hard. It was established that the girls all met at the creepy shack; we saw Amma walking around the pig farm with a male employee. DH and I talked after the finale about these little clues that had been planted throughout, and had a fun time with it.

The show alludes to these things but doesn’t really explain them. Amma says to the employee, hold on a sec, while I smuggle out these overalls in my what—daisy dukes? And sneak them back in without any one noticing they’re missing? Vague hints doesn’t make it plausible.

Or Amma walks out wearing them because she convinced the employee. You don’t have to suspend your disbelief, but I’m suspending mine.

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Walks out with multiple pairs?

There’s just too many details that were glossed over.

No teen is going to “hang out”at a pig processing plant even if their mom owns it. If a bike belonging to one of the victims at the plant, it would be searched for evidence; employees would be extensively interviewed as possible witnesses/perpetrators. Amma being there would be established a timeline done by detective work.

The mother was routinely using antifreeze and rat poison that would show in any basic blood work.

If this gang of girls were playing dress up then torturing their victims for hours, their dna would be ALL OVER the bodies.

When children go missing or are found dead, it’s routine to search places they spent a lot of time, their house or for example a carriage house where their brother is living.

munchausen by proxy is completely antithetical to take the blame for a child’s misdeeds. There’s no way someone that selfish would take the blame for someone else.

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If everything were spelled out in glowing detail the series would be twice as long.

I’m ok with some ambiguity about details such as when and how they got the coveralls, etc. It’s easy to come up with plausible answers, so why do they all need to be provided?

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Yeah, the plot is totally implausible and convoluted but the great acting heldcit all together; the ensemble gave it their all.

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I disliked the series. Didn't like the way it was shot, too dark, sound too muddled, quick flashes of things that were important but even paused couldn't be made out. The flashbacks were difficult to follow since it was hard to tell what younger characters were the current characters, also most of them were not needed. The mother, Adora, should have only been about 50 years-old, the actress looked mid-60's or older. Amma also seemed too old to be a 13-year old.

I do think the sheriff & his friends raped Adora as a teen (the football team ritual) and could be Camille's father. Adora doesn't strike me as the type to be involved in a sexual affair relationship, she is too prim & proper for that. Adora may not have seen the rape for what it was, more of a town tradition like the confederate flags & Calhoun day, so maintained a "friendship" with the sheriff which allowed her to manipulate her.

I knew by the second episode I was going to be annoyed by the ending and was. The series should have left out some of the plot lines (often done when books are made into movies) to flesh out the parts that really did matter. Didn't read the book, but probably would like it better since I didn't mind most of the story.

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Anonymous wrote:But there was the clip of a girl being held down by a bunch of girls on the grass and it looks like Camille's sister is trying to pull her teeth out. So she had help b/f but killed the girl in St. Louis all by herself?

Yes. In the book, they make it clear, but eluded to it during the flash sequence at the end of the credits - Amma killed the two girls but her friends (who she roller skated with) helped her. She killed the girl in St. Louis by herself.

I think the story was trying to do too many things. The cutting, gang rape, the psycho serial killing sister and her henchmen, the munchausen by proxy that was protected by the dad and the sheriff—affair or not.

the mom was a colossal weirdo in a small town. There’s no way there wouldn’t have been whispers about her. Also, not sure if someone that much of wanting sympathy would take the rap for 2 murders she didn’t commit. She would be hated by the community. Mothers with munchausen by proxy were often seen as long suffering saints—until they were found out.

She pled not guilty in the courtroom scene.

They found bloody pliers in her kitchen. She would have known her daughter was the murderer.

Also, murdering two young girls and pulling their teeth out. That teen aged girl didn’t even clean her own room. You would have thought the mom or the maid would have stumbled over some bloody clothes somewhere.

In the credits scene of the killing that took place in the woods the helper girls were wearing coveralls from the pig processing facility.

You would think that after finding the bike in the pig cess pool, that investigators might actually search the pig processing plant—for you know—clues.

how do little Lolita wanna bees traipse into pig processing plant, steal coveralls, then replace them without being noticed by anyone who worked there.

the kid on the bike seemed like a spur of the moment crime given that it wasn’t a bike ride that happened with predictability, eg to and from school.

How did they collect enough blood to plant under weepy boy’s bed without contaminating it with their own dna or particles from the crime scene? Holding down a screaming girl in the woods wouldn’t exactly facilitate this. Plus investigators can tell how old blood is. You’d have to smear it when wet. Even if they had access to the guy’s house that’s a pretty interesting feat. They’d have to do it very quickly after the murder or refrigerate it.

There was a scene that showed that Amma had pretty free reign at her mom’s pig facility. I don’t think getting the coveralls would have been a problem.

Natalie was killed in her brother’s guest house apartment.

So why wasn’t the guest house searched at the time she went missing? Family is always suspected first. It would be hard not to get hair or other trace evidence left behind in addition to the blood. Odd that they didn’t habe blood on those clothes.

Nash’s daughter was killed in the Woods. Still not sure how they’d have the coveralls at the ready to randomly attack on her bike ride.

They knew that Ann Nash was going to be riding her bike—was she going to meet them at that creepy shack?—got the coveralls from the family pig farm (remember, that’s where Adora’s money comes from), and ambushed her as planned. The guys who worked at the farm probably thought it was “cute” that the girls wanted to wear the coveralls, so no sneaking necessary. Remember when Camille followed Amma around the farm with that one young worker? And it would probably be easy to put them back with the dirty ones from the day before.

The author should account for these things. You’re working hard to fill in her plot holes.

I’m not working that hard. It was established that the girls all met at the creepy shack; we saw Amma walking around the pig farm with a male employee. DH and I talked after the finale about these little clues that had been planted throughout, and had a fun time with it.

The show alludes to these things but doesn’t really explain them. Amma says to the employee, hold on a sec, while I smuggle out these overalls in my what—daisy dukes? And sneak them back in without any one noticing they’re missing? Vague hints doesn’t make it plausible.

Or Amma walks out wearing them because she convinced the employee. You don’t have to suspend your disbelief, but I’m suspending mine.

Or she let him "do things to her." Remember the scene she had with Camille near the dollhouse and she admitted that letting boys do things to her was great because they thought they were in control, but actually she was. And they still liked her. Girls never liked her.

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Yes, it was teeth in the floor. I also thought it was a very abrupt ending.

Questions:

So, did Adora know it was Amma doing the killings? And is just going to go down for them?

did she go down for the girls’ murders? It wasn’t clear whether it was for crimes against her own daughters or the whole shebang. In any case, she pled not guilty. I don’t think she knew it was Amma, but no telling.

I understand how Amma was so messed up - with her mom having munchausens byproxy- it wouldn’t necessarily make someone a murder but for the purpose of the storyline one could argue it made Amma crazy/ dangerous. But that doesn’t give any reason for her friends to be murderers too.

I believe her friends were weak followers of Amma. They held the girls down while Amma did the actual killing.

Was her new friend at the end (the little black girl) shown in any of those quick post credits shots?

The first shot was of the new friend being attacked against a chain link fence.

What was written on the new girls hands at dinner?

Reminders like Call Mom, Text (someone), Read (book), Get Milk, etc.

I had such anxiety when Camille was sleeping with the boy - I knew the cops were on their way including Richard. Did that kill anyone else? I felt so so bad for him.
That was a really wrenching, well acted scene.


I’m so angry that Alan was clearly in on it or at least knew and didn’t do anything. That was obvious right? Or am I stretching?

Blind eye. Refused to acknowledge the obvious.

I thought the stuff on her hand were messages for Camille. She flashed the hand and their eyes locked at dinner.

Spiked Milk was what Audora used at dinner to poison the girls.
Call mom I thought was in reference to her telling Camille to talk to her mom about Amma
The hand thing was significant because there was a long moment from when Camille sees it and locks eyes with the girl

Was it Amma’s Handwriting? I have so many unanswered ?s about that scene

My take is that the new friend idolized Camille. This is what made Amma jealous and later kill her. The friend even mimicked writing on her body (or Camille saw the mundane written messages and thought she might be copying her), which made Camille silently freak out when she saw them. She didn’t want the girl to copy even her self destructive traits.

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I think this too. My theory is that Amma killed girls who took any of Adora's attention away from her - Natalie and Ann were both tutored by Adora. And the new girl was highly thought of by Camille, so Amma is wildly jealous.

I could never read any of the writing on the hands or body, even when I would pause those scenes. It was just too hard to make out - very frustrating.

Oh now see I thought the glances at Mae (the new friend's) hand was that she had painted nails, and we remember how John Keene told Camille that someone had painted his sister's nails. So sort of a precursor to Amma killing her - she painted her nails like she had done with other friends.

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I don't think Adora knew it was Amma.

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Anonymous wrote:Walks out with multiple pairs?

There’s just too many details that were glossed over.

No teen is going to “hang out”at a pig processing plant even if their mom owns it. If a bike belonging to one of the victims at the plant, it would be searched for evidence; employees would be extensively interviewed as possible witnesses/perpetrators. Amma being there would be established a timeline done by detective work.

The mother was routinely using antifreeze and rat poison that would show in any basic blood work.

If this gang of girls were playing dress up then torturing their victims for hours, their dna would be ALL OVER the bodies.

When children go missing or are found dead, it’s routine to search places they spent a lot of time, their house or for example a carriage house where their brother is living.

munchausen by proxy is completely antithetical to take the blame for a child’s misdeeds. There’s no way someone that selfish would take the blame for someone else.

Adora pled not guilty. She was convicted, I assume based on all of the evidence that pointed her way.

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Meanwhile, with her "Don't tell Mama," at the end of the series, it's obvious that Amma is willing to let her mother take the fall and stay there. It's a strange mixture of hatred and fear that she has towards her mother. I don't know if love has anything to do with it. Even if she was so envious of Ann and Natalie, I don't think it changed her feelings about her mother. Amma was in love with the love her mother showered upon her. She easily transferred that to Camille when her mother was no longer available to do it.

I liked the series a lot. I did think that they spent some time going down roads that were worthless, like Camille visiting her HS friend's house and having the "apology" conversation with her former rapist. Although that may have added to the "whodunit" options for some, I don't think it was fleshed out enough for many of us to actually believe that that guy had something to do with the murder of the girls. Thus, the whole story line was kind of a waste of time.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think Adora knew it was Amma.

How did she explain the bloody pliers to herself.

Those cut scenes were sloppy story telling. The story didn't make sense, so it was a cheesy way to explain who was guilty.