Trump to gut ACA via executive order

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

Obamacare has problems but was a start in the right direction. I'd rather help someone pay for their insurance than pay for one more night at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster because Camp David isn't good enough for Our Dear Leader. I'd take subsidizing the poor over subsidizing those two tacky properties and their tacky owner any day.

ACA was Obama's key legislative victory in his 8 years in office. It's what he chose to put all his weight and momentum behind after rising to the presidency. It's basically his legacy.

And even his supporters now admit that it's merely a "start in the right direction."

Judging by your emoji, you are simply amusing yourself with this comment...and not trying to make any particular point, amiright?

I will spell it out for you: Obama failed. He did a bad job and squandered an unprecedented opportunity. As a result, millions of Americans suffer and will continue to suffer.

Is my point clearer now?

And millions of people suffering warrants a ??? There is something deeply wrong with you.

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Actually, in the liberals' arrogance and oft-quoted remarks about Democrat demographics, they were SURE they would win the next election, so when the monstrosity failed - as they knew it would - they figured Hillary (the heir apparent) would race in with a rescue. That would be single-payer, which the country, in arms over the failed Ocare, would then be willing to accept. It's classic Alinsky.

This is the crux of it! The assumption was that the next president would be a Democrat who would rescue Medicare. It obviously did not work out that way.

The other assumption was that once ACA was in effect for a few years, it would be difficult to rollback because it is always difficult to take away a benefit - that assumption was correct. It is why the Republicans who passed numerous bills to repeal ACA through the years confident that Obama would veto the bills - so it was just a pointless exercise to appeal to the base. Now that they can actually repeal ACA without fear of a veto they don't want to do so, not because they think ACA was well structured - it was not - but because they are afraid of the consequences in terms of the impact on those who are enjoying the benefit in their states.

Then why aren't they working with Dems to make it better[i]? To fix the issues? To make it a stronger benefit for the American people?

DP. There's no way to fix it. The flaws run to its very foundation. And Obama knew it.

The GOP was all about improving the healthcare system in the US before Obama decided to take it on, which is why they tried to repeal the ACA multiple times--cause they had something better! I'm sure they will come up with an excellent (BEAUTIFUL, BIGLY, AMAZING) plan now that they have control of the Presidency and both houses. Hell, it will be easy since they had all those years of prepping for this.

yep good ole GOP, always looking out for the American people

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Anonymous wrote:The majority of people who voted for Trump and against their own financial interest (e.g., the working poor) won't care. They may or may not understand health insurance on a mirco or macro level--but that's not the point. They think that Trump is shaking things up, and for them, that is all that matters. This is not about rational economic thinking or any sense of distributive economic justice for these voters.

Insurance companies ought to pull out of red states until this is fixed.

Maybe insurance companies should pull out of the urban areas, where lots of poor Democrats are located. Interesting how you protect the rights to Democrats to get free shit paid for by working-class people, but are only to happy to see working-class people get the shaft.

Democrats make it so obvious that they dislike the working class. And then they can't understand why the working class won't vote for them.

There are different subsets of the working class that are divided based on location and social issues. Trump only represents a section of the working class who wants the return of coal regardless of the future of coal. They’d turn the country into Mordor if it meant parking cushy mining jobs two blocks away so they didn’t have to leave their town. And those supporters don’t see how much contempt Trump has for them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

That was true for some, not true for others. ACA created an entire new class of "underinsured middle-class Americans." My friend's SIL is a doctor, and he said he saw a big switch in his patient base - many more low income people (getting free care) and much fewer middle income people (who can no longer afford it).

I know a nanny who pays about $25.00 a month for her insurance . She doesn’t report all her income.

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

That was true for some, not true for others. ACA created an entire new class of "underinsured middle-class Americans." My friend's SIL is a doctor, and he said he saw a big switch in his patient base - many more low income people (getting free care) and much fewer middle income people (who can no longer afford it).

I know a nanny who pays about $25.00 a month for her insurance . She doesn’t report all her income.

Well, the cheaters and twx evaders are another topic altogether. Hope she gets caught.

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Actually, in the liberals' arrogance and oft-quoted remarks about Democrat demographics, they were SURE they would win the next election, so when the monstrosity failed - as they knew it would - they figured Hillary (the heir apparent) would race in with a rescue. That would be single-payer, which the country, in arms over the failed Ocare, would then be willing to accept. It's classic Alinsky.

This is the crux of it! The assumption was that the next president would be a Democrat who would rescue Medicare. It obviously did not work out that way.

The other assumption was that once ACA was in effect for a few years, it would be difficult to rollback because it is always difficult to take away a benefit - that assumption was correct. It is why the Republicans who passed numerous bills to repeal ACA through the years confident that Obama would veto the bills - so it was just a pointless exercise to appeal to the base. Now that they can actually repeal ACA without fear of a veto they don't want to do so, not because they think ACA was well structured - it was not - but because they are afraid of the consequences in terms of the impact on those who are enjoying the benefit in their states.

Then why aren't they working with Dems to make it better[i]? To fix the issues? To make it a stronger benefit for the American people?

ACA is fundamentally flawed. It is structurally unsound and like a house that was built on a shaky foundation the only thing to do is to raze it and devise something that is structurally sound. It can be done though it will take compromise on both sides.

Trump is absolutely correct in not trying to bail out something that is an absolute disaster. I voted for Obama and I think he was so concerned with passing ACA in some form that he viewed deficiencies as something that would be fixed later.

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FWIW, both parties may have an easier time coming up with a better plan that won’t break the bank if we deal with this first:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/health/adult-obesity-increase-study/index.html

We are a painfully expensive population to care for regardless of what health plan we have.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

Obamacare has problems but was a start in the right direction. I'd rather help someone pay for their insurance than pay for one more night at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster because Camp David isn't good enough for Our Dear Leader. I'd take subsidizing the poor over subsidizing those two tacky properties and their tacky owner any day.

ACA was Obama's key legislative victory in his 8 years in office. It's what he chose to put all his weight and momentum behind after rising to the presidency. It's basically his legacy.

And even his supporters now admit that it's merely a "start in the right direction."

Judging by your emoji, you are simply amusing yourself with this comment...and not trying to make any particular point, amiright?

I will spell it out for you: Obama failed. He did a bad job and squandered an unprecedented opportunity. As a result, millions of Americans suffer and will continue to suffer.

Is my point clearer now?

And millions of people suffering warrants a ??? There is something deeply wrong with you.

Thank god you're here, PP! What would the rest of us do without the emoji police weighing in?!

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

Obamacare has problems but was a start in the right direction. I'd rather help someone pay for their insurance than pay for one more night at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster because Camp David isn't good enough for Our Dear Leader. I'd take subsidizing the poor over subsidizing those two tacky properties and their tacky owner any day.

ACA was Obama's key legislative victory in his 8 years in office. It's what he chose to put all his weight and momentum behind after rising to the presidency. It's basically his legacy.

And even his supporters now admit that it's merely a "start in the right direction."

Judging by your emoji, you are simply amusing yourself with this comment...and not trying to make any particular point, amiright?

I will spell it out for you: Obama failed. He did a bad job and squandered an unprecedented opportunity. As a result, millions of Americans suffer and will continue to suffer.

Is my point clearer now?

And millions of people suffering warrants a ??? There is something deeply wrong with you.

Thank god you're here, PP! What would the rest of us do without the emoji police weighing in?!

Feel compassion for the millions of working Americans who just lost health insurance, maybe?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

Obamacare has problems but was a start in the right direction. I'd rather help someone pay for their insurance than pay for one more night at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster because Camp David isn't good enough for Our Dear Leader. I'd take subsidizing the poor over subsidizing those two tacky properties and their tacky owner any day.

ACA was Obama's key legislative victory in his 8 years in office. It's what he chose to put all his weight and momentum behind after rising to the presidency. It's basically his legacy.

And even his supporters now admit that it's merely a "start in the right direction."

Judging by your emoji, you are simply amusing yourself with this comment...and not trying to make any particular point, amiright?

I will spell it out for you: Obama failed. He did a bad job and squandered an unprecedented opportunity. As a result, millions of Americans suffer and will continue to suffer.

Is my point clearer now?

And millions of people suffering warrants a ??? There is something deeply wrong with you.

Thank god you're here, PP! What would the rest of us do without the emoji police weighing in?!

Feel compassion for the millions of working Americans who just lost health insurance, maybe?

I hope Obama feels compassion for them, since it's largely his fault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that's a great thing. i want it to collapse.

It was poorly thought out and rammed through. It's been a disaster. No need to throw more money at it. Everywhere this type of government run healthcare is tried, it fails.

Do you know what else was failing, even worse? The healthcare system that preceded the ACA.

That was true for some, not true for others. ACA created an entire new class of "underinsured middle-class Americans." My friend's SIL is a doctor, and he said he saw a big switch in his patient base - many more low income people (getting free care) and much fewer middle income people (who can no longer afford it).

I know a nanny who pays about $25.00 a month for her insurance . She doesn’t report all her income.

Yes it's all the nanny's fault for not reporting all her income. Not the nanny's presumably high income employer who is trying to get a discount by paying cash.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he is defying the law. And he will unilaterally own the fallout, although it seems certain to face legal challenges.

For a party that just went on about DACA needing to be handled by the law, this must surely be an affront to you.

He doesn't care. He's turning healthcare into Trump University. It will be one big scam that leaves people with a meaningless piece of paper-- in this case, instead of a crap degree, it will be meaningless insurance not worth the paper it's written on. This is how he does things. He's built hotels but I credit his father for that success. He hardly cares about building any quality products. This man isn't and will never be a great businessman or inventor. He's no Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Steve Jobs, Madam CJ Walker or Madame Curie... most would compare him to PT Barnum but at least Barnum knew how to put on a better show. I know two-year-olds with more empathy than this man; he could care less if anyone has good healthcare.

It is sad. People are going to buy "insurance" and when they get sick they will realize they aren't covered for anything.

You just described how a lot of people feel about Obamacare.

Obamacare has problems but was a start in the right direction. I'd rather help someone pay for their insurance than pay for one more night at Mar-a-Lago or Bedminster because Camp David isn't good enough for Our Dear Leader. I'd take subsidizing the poor over subsidizing those two tacky properties and their tacky owner any day.

ACA was Obama's key legislative victory in his 8 years in office. It's what he chose to put all his weight and momentum behind after rising to the presidency. It's basically his legacy.

And even his supporters now admit that it's merely a "start in the right direction."

Judging by your emoji, you are simply amusing yourself with this comment...and not trying to make any particular point, amiright?

I will spell it out for you: Obama failed. He did a bad job and squandered an unprecedented opportunity. As a result, millions of Americans suffer and will continue to suffer.

Is my point clearer now?

And millions of people suffering warrants a ??? There is something deeply wrong with you.

Thank god you're here, PP! What would the rest of us do without the emoji police weighing in?!

Feel compassion for the millions of working Americans who just lost health insurance, maybe?

I hope Obama feels compassion for them, since it's largely his fault.

Yes, it's all Obama's fault. He built a health care plan that resulted in 20 million Americans becoming insured. And it's his fault that Trump is causing them to lose that insurance with his executive order because elected politicians chose not to act until they had a better plan?

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Actually, in the liberals' arrogance and oft-quoted remarks about Democrat demographics, they were SURE they would win the next election, so when the monstrosity failed - as they knew it would - they figured Hillary (the heir apparent) would race in with a rescue. That would be single-payer, which the country, in arms over the failed Ocare, would then be willing to accept. It's classic Alinsky.

This is the crux of it! The assumption was that the next president would be a Democrat who would rescue Medicare. It obviously did not work out that way.

The other assumption was that once ACA was in effect for a few years, it would be difficult to rollback because it is always difficult to take away a benefit - that assumption was correct. It is why the Republicans who passed numerous bills to repeal ACA through the years confident that Obama would veto the bills - so it was just a pointless exercise to appeal to the base. Now that they can actually repeal ACA without fear of a veto they don't want to do so, not because they think ACA was well structured - it was not - but because they are afraid of the consequences in terms of the impact on those who are enjoying the benefit in their states.

Then why aren't they working with Dems to make it better[i]? To fix the issues? To make it a stronger benefit for the American people?

ACA is fundamentally flawed. It is structurally unsound and like a house that was built on a shaky foundation the only thing to do is to raze it and devise something that is structurally sound. It can be done though it will take compromise on both sides.

Trump is absolutely correct in not trying to bail out something that is an absolute disaster. I voted for Obama and I think he was so concerned with passing ACA in some form that he viewed deficiencies as something that would be fixed later.

And yet, the majority of Americans don't want Trump to get rid of ACA without a sound replacement.

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Anonymous wrote:The ACA was fundamentally flawed and everyone, including the Obama administration knew it. There is no point in using band aids to deal with the flaws. Just repeal it and come up with a structurally sound alternative.

As long as the flawed ACA is allowed to continue with fixes, the less likely that it will really be dealt with in a serious way.

Name the alternative. The ACA was the GOP plan. The GOP has now rejected it because the black guy installed it.

So now what? Can't go back to what was before, and the ACA is now dead. What do you suggest?

DP. Maybe if the Demcratic president hadn't championed a GOP plan, we wouldn't be in this mess.

DP.. maybe if R congress and Trump fully funded ACA we wouldn't be in this mess. It's a mess, sure, but R and Trump want to make it worse, make the public suffer so that they will clamor for something else.

It's like withholding fuel from everyone so that people beg for the government to drill more.

What are you talking about? You democrats funded it three years in advance. You also stole close to a trillion from medicare to fund Obamacare.

It was supposed to be good for ten years. Everyone's premiums were supposed to go down an average of $2500. Millenials were supposed to sign up in droves, because they loved the idea.

None of that happened. Don't call it ACA. Call it Obamacare. No Republicans voted for it. This was a DNC ball of shit flinged at the masses. Your math didn't work, but you had "hope and change".

Stole? Some R governors seem to have no issues using the "stolen" money to expand medicaid. It's so popular that many Rs in those states don't want the government to take it away.

And it's funny you say call it Obamacare given that so many Rs think Obamacare and ACA are different.

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Actually, in the liberals' arrogance and oft-quoted remarks about Democrat demographics, they were SURE they would win the next election, so when the monstrosity failed - as they knew it would - they figured Hillary (the heir apparent) would race in with a rescue. That would be single-payer, which the country, in arms over the failed Ocare, would then be willing to accept. It's classic Alinsky.

This is the crux of it! The assumption was that the next president would be a Democrat who would rescue Medicare. It obviously did not work out that way.

The other assumption was that once ACA was in effect for a few years, it would be difficult to rollback because it is always difficult to take away a benefit - that assumption was correct. It is why the Republicans who passed numerous bills to repeal ACA through the years confident that Obama would veto the bills - so it was just a pointless exercise to appeal to the base. Now that they can actually repeal ACA without fear of a veto they don't want to do so, not because they think ACA was well structured - it was not - but because they are afraid of the consequences in terms of the impact on those who are enjoying the benefit in their states.

Then why aren't they working with Dems to make it better[i]? To fix the issues? To make it a stronger benefit for the American people?

ACA is fundamentally flawed. It is structurally unsound and like a house that was built on a shaky foundation the only thing to do is to raze it and devise something that is structurally sound. It can be done though it will take compromise on both sides.

Trump is absolutely correct in not trying to bail out something that is an absolute disaster. I voted for Obama and I think he was so concerned with passing ACA in some form that he viewed deficiencies as something that would be fixed later.

And yet, the majority of Americans don't want Trump to get rid of ACA without a sound replacement.

No surprise - people don't like giving up a benefit or seeing a reduction in that benefit.