That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

[Anonymous]

What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/01/29/police-report-turner-admits-sexual-contact-denies-alleged-rape/

Turner was reportedly discovered on top of the alleged victim at about 12:55 a.m. by two male graduate students who were biking by. The students reported thinking “it was a mutual interaction at first” but noticed that the alleged victim was not moving and confronted Turner.

One of the graduate students stated that Turner got up and began to run away, and after briefly checking on the alleged victim, one of the graduate students chased after him. He said he caught up to Turner, tripped him and tackled him. The two graduate students — neither of whom knew Turner or the victim — held Turner down.

Police arrived on the scene a few minutes later and found the alleged victim lying behind a dumpster with her dress and bra disheveled and underwear on the ground nearby. She was “breathing but completely unresponsive.” An open can of beer was found laying nearby. Police took the alleged victim to the hospital, and she did not regain consciousness until approximately 4:15 a.m.

I've highlighted the relevant portions of that quote for you. Please point out to me the part that sounds like a hookup gone awry, apologist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

oh I'm willing to bet someone will date him who will believe his spin on things.... sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/01/29/police-report-turner-admits-sexual-contact-denies-alleged-rape/

Turner was reportedly discovered on top of the alleged victim at about 12:55 a.m. by two male graduate students who were biking by. The students reported thinking “it was a mutual interaction at first” but noticed that the alleged victim was not moving and confronted Turner.

One of the graduate students stated that Turner got up and began to run away, and after briefly checking on the alleged victim, one of the graduate students chased after him. He said he caught up to Turner, tripped him and tackled him. The two graduate students — neither of whom knew Turner or the victim — held Turner down.

Police arrived on the scene a few minutes later and found the alleged victim lying behind a dumpster with her dress and bra disheveled and underwear on the ground nearby. She was “breathing but completely unresponsive.” An open can of beer was found laying nearby. Police took the alleged victim to the hospital, and she did not regain consciousness until approximately 4:15 a.m.

I've highlighted the relevant portions of that quote for you. Please point out to me the part that sounds like a hookup gone awry, apologist.

PP didn't say it was a hookup gone awry. I've hightighted the relevant sections. I think PP was just staying that now all hookups are considered rape. It was specific to this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

It also sounds awful to say the Nazis exterminated 12 million Jews but it doesn't mean they didn't do it. Brock Turner raped her behind a dumpster. Who gives a shit if the dumpster was parked behind a frat house? Congrats, you might be more of a rape apologist than his dad and that's saying something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/01/29/police-report-turner-admits-sexual-contact-denies-alleged-rape/

Turner was reportedly discovered on top of the alleged victim at about 12:55 a.m. by two male graduate students who were biking by. The students reported thinking “it was a mutual interaction at first” but noticed that the alleged victim was not moving and confronted Turner.

One of the graduate students stated that Turner got up and began to run away, and after briefly checking on the alleged victim, one of the graduate students chased after him. He said he caught up to Turner, tripped him and tackled him. The two graduate students — neither of whom knew Turner or the victim — held Turner down.

Police arrived on the scene a few minutes later and found the alleged victim lying behind a dumpster with her dress and bra disheveled and underwear on the ground nearby. She was “breathing but completely unresponsive.” An open can of beer was found laying nearby. Police took the alleged victim to the hospital, and she did not regain consciousness until approximately 4:15 a.m.

I've highlighted the relevant portions of that quote for you. Please point out to me the part that sounds like a hookup gone awry, apologist.

PP didn't say it was a hookup gone awry. I've hightighted the relevant sections. I think PP was just staying that now all hookups are considered rape. It was specific to this case.

I mean "wasn't" specific to this case

[Anonymous]

Oh and stop with the "well if someone had a drink I guess that automatically makes it rape now" strawman rhetoric. Rape is rape. It is what it is. She was raped because he raped her not because she had sex after having a drink. Nobody has ever said that's why this was rape. It was rape because she was fucking unconscious and didn't and couldn't consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

It sounds awful because it is awful. It is worse than awful. It is horrific.

Why does the location of the dumpster matter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh and stop with the "well if someone had a drink I guess that automatically makes it rape now" strawman rhetoric. Rape is rape. It is what it is. She was raped because he raped her not because she had sex after having a drink. Nobody has ever said that's why this was rape. It was rape because she was fucking unconscious and didn't and couldn't consent.

Oh was that rhetoric by the previous PP? I guess I didn't catch that (sometimes hard to read tone). oops. I thought they were saying it was "rape" no matter which way you cut it. Isn't it a good thing that it is automatically rape now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Is this real? Very hard to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What Brock did to this woman is awful and his and his father's actions and statements make them nothing less than monsters. The good news is Brock's life is ruined. His swimming career is over, he will not get a degree from Stanford or any other decent school or a decent job, nobody will date him, and everyone knows who he is now. For the rest of his life when someone googles him this will all come up. The judge did not do his job and give him an appropriate sentence but the media did.

Websites like this, which I suspect is his father's, only make people hate him more. https://m.facebook.com/Brockturnerfor2026lympics/

Is this real? Very hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe too. That the website it actually real. But who knows!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

I've got news for you. Many already were. Intoxicated people cannot give consent and sex with them is therefore rape by definition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This case is disgusting to me, in pretty much every way.

The survivor has shared her perspective. Read the entire impact statement if you are interested in her insight. It is not "regret" speaking but sexual trauma.

But he didn't do that. This is a situation where the victim was not able to give consent. The assault was broken up by TWO witnesses unknown to either the victim or the perpetrator. A rape kit was done. This isn't a case of he said/she said, and the jury agreed with that assessment. This man was found guilty of three felony charges, which he still denies. If he had been found guilty of those charges and, at his sentencing hearing, he had spoken about his remorse and admitted responsibility for his actions, I would be a lot more sympathetic to the impact on his life.

As for the people saying that we should teach our children about safety, I completely agree. I think that what we should be focusing on in this situation, if we are teaching our children about safety, is that two strangers stopped to investigate something that seemed off to them. We should be teaching our children that, in addition to paying attention to their own safety, if they are concerned that someone is being hurt, they should stop and investigate, or call 911, or both, rather than just walking by.

If you see something, say something, right?

good post. yes we should teach them to pay attention if someone else is being hurt or appears to be. good thing those 2 guys came along. or she might just have woken up alone behind the dumpster with no idea what happened

PP here. I will say for the record that I think that discussions about personal safety in situations like this is a complete red herring. If she had gotten drunk at a party and lost her purse, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. If she had gotten drunk at a party and gotten into an argument with her boyfriend, it would be time to have a discussion about the follies of getting drunk. That's not what happened. She got drunk at a party and was sexually assaulted behind a dumpster by someone she did not know. That is a CRIME and discussing what SHE did wrong should be so fucking far down on the list of things to talk about that it's barely visible.

He should be on the sex offender registry list. He is a sex offender. That is what we call people who sexually assault people. "Sexual assault" is what we call "removing the clothing of a drunk stranger and touching them sexually when they are unconscious." The jury thought so. Why didn't the sentencing judge?

It sounds awful to say he sexually assaulted her behind a dumpster. It was on the frat house back yard. It's possible he was raping her and would have left her there naked and unconscious. Or maybe he would have realized she was unconscious, straightened her clothes, and returned her ... to the frat house? to somewhere else? No one will know what he would have done.

It's true that, by the new Yes means Yes definition, all college party drunk hookups are rape now. Under the law, he is definitely a rapist. Whether he had gone with her or another girl who remembered better, it would all be rape if the girl had had a drink.

I've got news for you. Many already were. Intoxicated people cannot give consent and sex with them is therefore rape by definition.

The Yes means Yes laws should include both parties, to be fair. If that's what we're after.