First day drop off -- MD tags

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maryland residents don't pay taxes in DC. And no, as a DC resident I don't go to MD schools, use the MD library, or use other resources that are exclusively for Md residents.

As a DC resident you actually can use the MC libraries, and vice versa.

The cheaters likely aren't from MoCo, but from PG where the schools in many cases are a lot worse than DC. Add to that the convenience of dropping kids off on the way to work and very cheap before and after school care, and the "Ward 9" pipeline to DCPS is very active.

[Anonymous]

You are all nuts on this issue. Every city in the country has a paucity of resources. In many places, people learn to share without assuming that everyone is out to get them and take everything from them.

What's weirder is, I'm assuming you're mostly democrats? Just based on the living in DC and sending your kids to public school? You are like Ayn Rand democrats. It would be funny, if not so sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Polite suggestion, define "live." Are you invoking tax laws on domicile? Custody agreements? Counting days each family member sleep where because there's some law or rule on the books mandating this? Which law or rule?

Our child lives in two homes, both of which we own, one with a grandparent. We pay the relevant DC taxes for him to attend public school in DC, but he only sleeps in DC half the time, or a little less. We keep a low profile, including never having any of his caregivers pull up in front of his school with out of state plates.

We don't want the headaches of whispering campaigns and silly DCPS initiated investigations, though we don't worry about them.

It's defined by DC code. You can look it up.

My understanding is that it's defined by the child's primary residency, so you are technically breaking the spirt of the law if not the letter of DC law.

Reading between the lines - It sounds like your DC property is actually lived in by the grandparent, and your child "sleeps in DC half the time, or a little less" when the child visits. You probably have a much bigger house in Maryland where you actually live with your child, but you probably claim DC as your primary residence. You have your driver's license in DC, your car is registered in DC, and your W-2 lists DC as your primary residence. Sure you pay income tax in DC, but you don't actually live in DC.

It sounds like you are breaking both DC and federal law, and that you are a cheater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Polite suggestion, define "live." Are you invoking tax laws on domicile? Custody agreements? Counting days each family member sleep where because there's some law or rule on the books mandating this? Which law or rule?

Our child lives in two homes, both of which we own, one with a grandparent. We pay the relevant DC taxes for him to attend public school in DC, but he only sleeps in DC half the time, or a little less. We keep a low profile, including never having any of his caregivers pull up in front of his school with out of state plates.

We don't want the headaches of whispering campaigns and silly DCPS initiated investigations, though we don't worry about them.

It's defined by DC code. You can look it up.

My understanding is that it's defined by the child's primary residency, so you are technically breaking the spirt of the law if not the letter of DC law.

Reading between the lines - It sounds like your DC property is actually lived in by the grandparent, and your child "sleeps in DC half the time, or a little less" when the child visits. You probably have a much bigger house in Maryland where you actually live with your child, but you probably claim DC as your primary residence. You have your driver's license in DC, your car is registered in DC, and your W-2 lists DC as your primary residence. Sure you pay income tax in DC, but you don't actually live in DC.

It sounds like you are breaking both DC and federal law, and that you are a cheater.

PP is also violating Maryland law. She/he is still a cheater, but since they're paying their taxes in DC, I have less of a problem with them than other cheaters. That said, I'm sure the MD government wouldn't be happy about them not paying their Maryland income tax.

[Anonymous]

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

[Anonymous]

11:14, I think I love you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

Making something a race issue is one quick way to try to make people shut up. That won't fly. The only one being racist here is you. People are talking about RESIDENCY CHEATERS. And YOU equate that with black people.

Same thing as church goers who take up resident spaces (who by the way park in illegal spots). YOU equate those people with black people as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:11:14, I think I love you.

Me too.

[Anonymous]

People should take photos of the cars and post them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

The reality is that non-DC residency cheating in DC public schools hurts poor (mostly black) DC kids the most, by depriving them of coveted slots in better performing schools. It also diverts resources generally that could be used for everything from remedial help to enrichment to music. The Janneys of the world can raise extra funds, but the reality is that most DC schools can't. Theft of services, i.e., residency fraud affects everyone, DC's vulnerable most of all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

Sunday parkers are completely breaking the law. There's no law on the books that you can triple park in the street and block driveways on Sundays. I've actually always thought that this is unconstitutional -- that is, giving priority law treatment to religion feels like the state is getting involved in religion.

Also, to the person who says that the DC Code defines "live". It doesn't. Check the DC school regs, which refer only to "residents" of the district. That term isn't defined anywhere, and doesn't refer to any other place in the code for a reference. I actually think that, if that went to court, a kid that spends 2 nights a week consistently in DC would fall pretty squarely in an undefined use of the word "resident". The court would look to how "resident" is defined in regular life, other codes etc. Given that the legislators didn't use the term "primary residence", I think any court would conclude that a person can have two legal residences.

But under any generally understood definition of the word, no one would define "DC resident" to mean someone living and paying taxes in PG County, who doesn't sleep in DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are all nuts on this issue. Every city in the country has a paucity of resources. In many places, people learn to share without assuming that everyone is out to get them and take everything from them.

What's weirder is, I'm assuming you're mostly democrats? Just based on the living in DC and sending your kids to public school? You are like Ayn Rand democrats. It would be funny, if not so sad.

This is the dumbest argument I've read thus far. So you're saying that it'd be okay if 1000 kids from mexico or canada showed up to your school tomorrow, while their parents stayed back in Mexico or Canada? Because we're democrats, we should all just share resources and not worry about who pays taxes where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

Sunday parkers are completely breaking the law. There's no law on the books that you can triple park in the street and block driveways on Sundays. I've actually always thought that this is unconstitutional -- that is, giving priority law treatment to religion feels like the state is getting involved in religion.

Also, to the person who says that the DC Code defines "live". It doesn't. Check the DC school regs, which refer only to "residents" of the district. That term isn't defined anywhere, and doesn't refer to any other place in the code for a reference. I actually think that, if that went to court, a kid that spends 2 nights a week consistently in DC would fall pretty squarely in an undefined use of the word "resident". The court would look to how "resident" is defined in regular life, other codes etc. Given that the legislators didn't use the term "primary residence", I think any court would conclude that a person can have two legal residences.

But under any generally understood definition of the word, no one would define "DC resident" to mean someone living and paying taxes in PG County, who doesn't sleep in DC.

Agreed on the parking. It's not that people park all over the neighborhood, it's that they block driveways, crosswalks, etc. and DC does nothing about it. Especially because every other day of the week, they'll ticket us for anything and everything even when they're not allowed to. Very frustrating. And before you cry "racism!", we have the same complaints about people parking illegally when a big tennis tournament comes into the area every year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

Sunday parkers are completely breaking the law. There's no law on the books that you can triple park in the street and block driveways on Sundays. I've actually always thought that this is unconstitutional -- that is, giving priority law treatment to religion feels like the state is getting involved in religion.

Also, to the person who says that the DC Code defines "live". It doesn't. Check the DC school regs, which refer only to "residents" of the district. That term isn't defined anywhere, and doesn't refer to any other place in the code for a reference. I actually think that, if that went to court, a kid that spends 2 nights a week consistently in DC would fall pretty squarely in an undefined use of the word "resident". The court would look to how "resident" is defined in regular life, other codes etc. Given that the legislators didn't use the term "primary residence", I think any court would conclude that a person can have two legal residences.

But under any generally understood definition of the word, no one would define "DC resident" to mean someone living and paying taxes in PG County, who doesn't sleep in DC.

I agree that a child can legitimately have two residences- one in DC and one out of DC. If the parent maintains a legitimate residence in DC where some nights are spent by the child attending school, it would be unfair to not allow them admission to a DC school. If DC tried to deny them and the other state also denied them, the child would be in no man's land. Totally unfair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Lots of rough schools in PG county, and if you drive to work in DC, lots of convenient schools, some of them better than your PG options. That residency cheating exists is well-known and documented. The DC govt spends (insufficient) resources policing it and reports on their progress.

If your point was that you live in Bethesda and prefer those schools to DC, who cares, that says nothing about other MD residents.

This whole debate has a lot in common with the church parking issue. Churchgoers at many DC churches actually live in Md. They feel entitled to violate zoned parking laws and double park etc to attend church. They are defended by many native washingtonian AAs and by some long time resident white liberals. And so far, by parking enforcement. And they are criticized by newcomers of all races who think the practice is bullshit and they should move the churches to where they live, or else respect parking laws in Dc.

Same idea with MD people using DC schools (ward 9). Used to be no big deal, but as more and more newcomers arrive and the schools become popular and so on, there is more and more protest. So when you see people defending cheaters here, maybe they are cheaters, but maybe they are just old time washington and they don't like the change that is afoot.

It's so gross that people in this forum spend so much time, mind space and vitriol on this issue, especially when it's evident that if you are at the school making this observation then you've been denied absolutely nothing. If you live in the boundary, you're guaranteed a right to the school. But to go a step further and make it clear that your real disgruntlement is that your neighborhood hasn't cleared out the "old timers" fast enough for your liking is just . . . stomach turning.

DC has been making Sunday parking allowances for decades. Churchgoers are not violating anything except your assumed entitlement to keep black people out of your neighborhood and sight lines once a week. Why - and how - in the world would you expect anyone to move their church?

It has nothing in common with school residency cheating except in your small, mean, racist little mind that's longing for the day when all the people who can't afford $3000/month to live in your midst can be driven out for good. Why don't you just go ahead and do what early segregationists did and gather your neighbors to form a guantlet to spit and throw slurs at the people you don't want in your school.

Otherwise, report your suspicions and then STFU about it. Or maybe move to a place where black people wouldn't dare try to get into your school. There's someone on these boards who talks of their district in Alabama where black people who have the choice to go to better schools just don't. (Hmm. I wonder why.)

The reality is that non-DC residency cheating in DC public schools hurts poor (mostly black) DC kids the most, by depriving them of coveted slots in better performing schools. It also diverts resources generally that could be used for everything from remedial help to enrichment to music. The Janneys of the world can raise extra funds, but the reality is that most DC schools can't. Theft of services, i.e., residency fraud affects everyone, DC's vulnerable most of all.

Oh, really. Your concern is for the kids. REALLY?

Yet for every scenario you cook up about government workers who live in PG county, there are countless other legitimate possibilities that - guess what - are all about the kids. Foster care, abuse, divorce, domestic violence, before and aftercare arrangements, custody disputes, custodial care...I could go on, but why concern yourself with those possibilities if it denies you the more satisfying possibility that you can get a kid booted from the school?

Like I said, if you're really that concerned then there's nothing stopping you from reporting it, except the time that you've spent here griping about it - to absolutely no benefit to anyone.