Two spouses: a play

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

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All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

The problem with asking honeybuns to pickup snickerdoodles on the way home is that he'll invariably ask, where, what kind, what aisle, etc...
I have experienced and witnessed this. E.g. ask FIL to get some butter from the fridge while everyone is busy preparing the meal and he stands there with the fridge door open asking everyone "where's the butter?" when it is right in the butter bin.
When I ask my own dh to pickup the kids from school, he asks which door, which way, left or right, etc...such that I have to practically draw a map.

My college aged child asked if this is considered weaponized incompetence.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

Right. I definitely feel like a child writing and receiving an award for a speech is capable of getting a birthday present and saying dad my show is on x day and time be there.
Alot of this mental load stuff is being a parent and the struggle is created by the need for rigid control, and refusal to delegate

What kid is getting a birthday present? Do you allow your kids to surf your Amazon account and make their own purchases? Because most people don't want their kids to do that.

Yes, my children are capable of saying what they want to give their friends for birthday presents. WTF.

Candy and $67 of makeup! Buy it daddy!

Is your husband incapable of using his brain?

Or are you just the obnoxious controlling type who complains they have to do everything but anytime someone tries to take over, you complain that what they are doing isn't right.

Most dads would know not to buy $67 of makeup for a gift. It may not be exactly what you would have bought...but that's ok.

So ma’am what would you say to him once the above happened? Anything?

What would you say to him the 20th time it happened a year? Anything?

I've never had to say anything because DH is a capable adult. The problem here isn't the "mental load" or whatever. The problem here is your husband is an idiot if he thinks $70 of make up is an appropriate birthday gift.

To each their own. I'm a mom of two middle school daughters and they have absolutely given their friends $70 of makeup as a birthday present.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

Right. I definitely feel like a child writing and receiving an award for a speech is capable of getting a birthday present and saying dad my show is on x day and time be there.
Alot of this mental load stuff is being a parent and the struggle is created by the need for rigid control, and refusal to delegate

What kid is getting a birthday present? Do you allow your kids to surf your Amazon account and make their own purchases? Because most people don't want their kids to do that.

Lol, right? That person’s kids also buy their own clothes.
They can’t bake cookies though…

By the time they are 13 they are buying their own clothes. They have a budget and if they want to do in store shopping they tell us if they want a ride


Younger kids are capable of being told go to your room and get a red sweater or a green shirt

You just think you have all the answers! But oops! No red dress. Or that green shirt from last year is now 2 sizes too small. What now super mom?

Then either their dad or I buy one or take them to buy it. You do have to do somethings for kids because they are kids. Were you under the impression that you birth them and then magically stuff just happens for 18 years?

Maybe you just have undiagnosed ADHD so basic things are very challenging for you

Nobody says it's hard. But you seem stuck on these very simple tasks. But in a day there are so many very simple tasks. Someone has to do them. And husbands would say they are focused on many other tasks just not the buying shirt tasks. For my house our division of labor is pretty even but no, my husband doesn't have to do the shirt but he is leaving work early today to take the car for an oil change.

I just had AI tally our last five years of Amazon packages and costs. For Share of Mind sake.

Things I ordered, by quantity:
65% for the kids (bday presents, clothes costume, sports stuff, school materials)
30% for the house (snacks, kitchen items, decor, lawn/pest stuff)
5% for me (cosmetics on sale, snakca)

Things my husband ordered, by quantity):
5% for kids (usually returned, wasn’t listening)
90% for himself (clothes/shoes, electronics, 5+ shavers a year & forgets to pack them)
5% for the house (weird electronics or lights sitting in a pile now)

Dollar value and quantity value vastly ordered by me. Tho his random electronics add up big time (roomba, etc).

Ok? Amazon won't quantify for me the mental labor of dealing with the income taxes, car maintenance, investment management, and all the other things in our household division of labor. While shopping for the shirts and bday presents is annoying I don't want to take on the other tasks so it works for us and more or less evens out.

Super, then switch.

Give her the annual and quarterly computer stuff, and you do the day to day household and kid stuff.

Great idea PP!

I'm not the one complaining. But people should be honest about what their household division of labor actually looks like. Complaining about your half without telling us what the husband actually does is meaningless. How do we know how lopsided it is when we only have a few stupid examples of what actually doesn't sound very important?

Agreed. DH and I have a pretty even 50/50 split but there is quite a bit he does that I never realized or would have thought to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

The problem with asking honeybuns to pickup snickerdoodles on the way home is that he'll invariably ask, where, what kind, what aisle, etc...
I have experienced and witnessed this. E.g. ask FIL to get some butter from the fridge while everyone is busy preparing the meal and he stands there with the fridge door open asking everyone "where's the butter?" when it is right in the butter bin.
When I ask my own dh to pickup the kids from school, he asks which door, which way, left or right, etc...such that I have to practically draw a map.

My college aged child asked if this is considered weaponized incompetence.

This would infuriate me. Thankfully DH is not like this and is teaching DS not to be like this too.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

I don’t think you actually have elementary schoolers. Or that you are responsible for them anyway.
The only thing most elementary schoolers could do on the OP’s list without any help is make the cookies. And that’s the only thing you outsourced.

Maybe your elementary schoolers are a little slow? Mine know their colors. If I asked my daughter to get her green shirt, she would do so. If I remind my 4th grader to get her red dress, she'd go get it.

You're missing the point entirely. The husband isn't the issue here. The OP's inability to communicate and play the martyr is.

My kid never has the color of shirt they need. We don't have clothes in every color of the rainbow at all times (maybe we should, but that would of course be a task that would fall to me, isn't it? and then everyone would make fun of me for being the OCD mom who overplays I'm guessing). She'll have a red dress but it turns out it's two sizes too small.

Like it is bizarre you are assuming that OP's kids already had all the items they needed for these performances -- the entire reason OP is annoyed is because obviously they didn't already have them, or what they had didn't fit, and she had to put effort into helping to buy or borrow items in order to fulfill the requirement. And it was OP who figured out they didn't have that stuff, and did it far enough in advance that they could order things online or go pick something up in a store without having to scramble the night before.

Same with the kid's gift. Yes, children can pick out a birthday gift for a friend. But the act of taking that kid shopping or being organized enough to sit down at a computer with the kid to select something online far enough in advance to get it in time, is work. Also if the kid suggests a gift that costs too much, or the thing they pick is sold out, you have to work through that with them because an 7 year old is not going to just know that Lego Set A is a more appropriate gift than Lego Set B. You have to teach them. And then the gift need to be wrapped and you have to remember to bring it. And no, most elementary age kids cannot do all that independently without quite a bit of handholding from a parent. They aren't slow, they are children.

Is your husband really so incompetent that he can't do these things? Or do you just assume he is? In our house, if DC doesn't ask Dad on their own, I can simply tell them to and DH handles it with no issues.

What is frustrating is that no, of course most men are capable of looking in a dresser, seeing there's no green shirt, and buying a green shirt. That is not a complicated or difficult activity. And YET, a shocking number of dads will act as thought this activity is beyond them. They will say they will do it but then procrastinate, because they have learned that if they put off tasks until the last possible minute, their wives will panic and do it for them rather than disappoint their kids. Or they'll half ass it and do it wrong (they buy a green shirt but it's two sizes too big and comes down to their kid's knees and the kid looks ridiculous and feels even worse) which will lead their wives not to ask at all the next time.

If you have a husband who doesn't pull this crap, congrats. And don't give me that "was he like this before you married him" crap because no, he wasn't. Because we didn't have kids. It started with kids, it often does. I only have one kid because it started when she was an infant and he'd let her sit in her own $hit for hours and claim he didn't smell that the diaper was dirty. Or I'd ask him to get the baby dressed before we left the house and he'd put her in a sleeveless onesie in January. It is weaponized incompetence and many of these men learned it from their fathers and it doesn't emerge until the kids are on the scene because they don't actually mind doing responsible things for themselves, they just do not want to caretake and find ways to get out of it.

Many men are like this, because there are no real social consequences for it.

I guess our friends are outliers, but at a recent neighborhood party, the dads did all go after one dad who was ignoring his kids and the fact that they wanted to leave and so his wife ended up taking them home. The other dads told him he was being an inconsiderate jerk and he needed to be more aware of his kids' needs and be a better dad and husband.

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Anonymous wrote:It takes me 30 seconds to tell DH "can you get a long sleeve shirt for DS' concert?". DH will spend way more time getting one, making sure it fits, etc. I mean maybe part of why it's so much easier to take on that task is because DH is reliable and I don't have to follow up or wonder if he's going to do it correctly. But in our house, being the Task Rabbit is way more work than being the one who delegates. Which is why DH and I tend to divide it depending on activities.

Why can't your husband read the email from the teacher and just do it himself?

It's just how we divide things. I'll see the email and he will do the work. I'll find DS' new PCP and DH will make the appt, handle the paperwork, and take DS. I'll find the camp, DH will handle registration, paperwork, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

Right. I definitely feel like a child writing and receiving an award for a speech is capable of getting a birthday present and saying dad my show is on x day and time be there.
Alot of this mental load stuff is being a parent and the struggle is created by the need for rigid control, and refusal to delegate

What kid is getting a birthday present? Do you allow your kids to surf your Amazon account and make their own purchases? Because most people don't want their kids to do that.

Lol, right? That person’s kids also buy their own clothes.
They can’t bake cookies though…

By the time they are 13 they are buying their own clothes. They have a budget and if they want to do in store shopping they tell us if they want a ride


Younger kids are capable of being told go to your room and get a red sweater or a green shirt

You just think you have all the answers! But oops! No red dress. Or that green shirt from last year is now 2 sizes too small. What now super mom?

Then either their dad or I buy one or take them to buy it. You do have to do somethings for kids because they are kids. Were you under the impression that you birth them and then magically stuff just happens for 18 years?

Maybe you just have undiagnosed ADHD so basic things are very challenging for you

Nobody says it's hard. But you seem stuck on these very simple tasks. But in a day there are so many very simple tasks. Someone has to do them. And husbands would say they are focused on many other tasks just not the buying shirt tasks. For my house our division of labor is pretty even but no, my husband doesn't have to do the shirt but he is leaving work early today to take the car for an oil change.

I just had AI tally our last five years of Amazon packages and costs. For Share of Mind sake.

Things I ordered, by quantity:
65% for the kids (bday presents, clothes costume, sports stuff, school materials)
30% for the house (snacks, kitchen items, decor, lawn/pest stuff)
5% for me (cosmetics on sale, snakca)

Things my husband ordered, by quantity):
5% for kids (usually returned, wasn’t listening)
90% for himself (clothes/shoes, electronics, 5+ shavers a year & forgets to pack them)
5% for the house (weird electronics or lights sitting in a pile now)

Dollar value and quantity value vastly ordered by me. Tho his random electronics add up big time (roomba, etc).

Ok? Amazon won't quantify for me the mental labor of dealing with the income taxes, car maintenance, investment management, and all the other things in our household division of labor. While shopping for the shirts and bday presents is annoying I don't want to take on the other tasks so it works for us and more or less evens out.

Super, then switch.

Give her the annual and quarterly computer stuff, and you do the day to day household and kid stuff.

Great idea PP!

I'm not the one complaining. But people should be honest about what their household division of labor actually looks like. Complaining about your half without telling us what the husband actually does is meaningless. How do we know how lopsided it is when we only have a few stupid examples of what actually doesn't sound very important?

Agreed. DH and I have a pretty even 50/50 split but there is quite a bit he does that I never realized or would have thought to do.

If I complained about having to bring cookies to the caroling my husband would absolutely tell me to not even do it. He wouldn't. You can't take these things on then complain about them when they really don't even need to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

The problem with asking honeybuns to pickup snickerdoodles on the way home is that he'll invariably ask, where, what kind, what aisle, etc...
I have experienced and witnessed this. E.g. ask FIL to get some butter from the fridge while everyone is busy preparing the meal and he stands there with the fridge door open asking everyone "where's the butter?" when it is right in the butter bin.
When I ask my own dh to pickup the kids from school, he asks which door, which way, left or right, etc...such that I have to practically draw a map.

My college aged child asked if this is considered weaponized incompetence.

This isn't a universal problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Who organized all these events to begin with? Start there.

Why? You think children should nto have a life and get to be inovlved in these experiences? If you don't want to be a part of a child's life, don't have kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

The problem with asking honeybuns to pickup snickerdoodles on the way home is that he'll invariably ask, where, what kind, what aisle, etc...
I have experienced and witnessed this. E.g. ask FIL to get some butter from the fridge while everyone is busy preparing the meal and he stands there with the fridge door open asking everyone "where's the butter?" when it is right in the butter bin.
When I ask my own dh to pickup the kids from school, he asks which door, which way, left or right, etc...such that I have to practically draw a map.

My college aged child asked if this is considered weaponized incompetence.

This isn't a universal problem.

This. Stop excusing your shitty husband by acting like all men are like this. No man that I know close enough to be able to say if they are like this or not behaves like this. Well, except my brother but he's autistic and needs things spelled out specifically because of that, not because he's incompetent.

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Anonymous wrote:Who organized all these events to begin with? Start there.

Why? You think children should nto have a life and get to be inovlved in these experiences? If you don't want to be a part of a child's life, don't have kids.

Yes and no. I grew up with a martyr mom. Even when we tried to take control/do the things, we never did it right according to her and that made everything worse. It definitely would have been better if we were involved in less because I think our household would have been less stressed as a result. I can remember going with my dad to get an outfit for my band concert and my mom yelling at us when we got home because she didn't like the shirt I had bought, even though it was completely appropriate for the concert. That was so common growing up that eventually we all stopped contributing and let her do it all since we knew we would do it all "wrong" anyways.

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

I don’t think you actually have elementary schoolers. Or that you are responsible for them anyway.
The only thing most elementary schoolers could do on the OP’s list without any help is make the cookies. And that’s the only thing you outsourced.

Maybe your elementary schoolers are a little slow? Mine know their colors. If I asked my daughter to get her green shirt, she would do so. If I remind my 4th grader to get her red dress, she'd go get it.

You're missing the point entirely. The husband isn't the issue here. The OP's inability to communicate and play the martyr is.

Are you really this dumb or are you being purposefully obtuse? The point is that not everyone already has a green shirt or a red dress. Neither of my daughters has either of those things - they aren't colors they like to wear. So yeah, my kids can pick out the green shirt from the closet if it's there, but they can't drive themselves to the mall to purchase one if it's not.

Why is a red dress necessary for caroling?

How would wearing an existing article of clothing prevent the caroling?

And does this child even want to sing to old people?

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Anonymous wrote:Act 1
A happy family, one husband, one wife and three lovely children. Child A has a holiday performance on Thursday morning and needs to wear a “green Christmas sweater, blue jeans and white sneakers” per teacher instructions. Child 2 has Christmas caroling at the old people’s home on Friday and needs a red dress and plate of cookies. Child 3 is receiving an award for a speech on Friday also, and will be needing a birthday present for friend’s party that same afternoon. Wife takes care of all of these things noiselessly, on top of regular work. She also lets husband know where to be on performance and award day.
Act 2
Husband: shows up.
Act 3
Society: why do women complain about mental labor? It’s a fiction that only exists in their hysterical imaginations and they invent tasks to do because they are hysterical.

Curtain.

All of these things being … picking out some clothing, getting some cookies and a birthday present? That … sounds … exhausting? Is that what my takeaway is here?

At any point was there some discussion in the family? “Larla, find a green shirt. Marla, get your read dress. Darla, pick out a present on Amazon. Honey, can you pick up some snickerdoodles on the way home?”

The problem with asking honeybuns to pickup snickerdoodles on the way home is that he'll invariably ask, where, what kind, what aisle, etc...
I have experienced and witnessed this. E.g. ask FIL to get some butter from the fridge while everyone is busy preparing the meal and he stands there with the fridge door open asking everyone "where's the butter?" when it is right in the butter bin.
When I ask my own dh to pickup the kids from school, he asks which door, which way, left or right, etc...such that I have to practically draw a map.

My college aged child asked if this is considered weaponized incompetence.

This isn't a universal problem.

This. Stop excusing your shitty husband by acting like all men are like this. No man that I know close enough to be able to say if they are like this or not behaves like this. Well, except my brother but he's autistic and needs things spelled out specifically because of that, not because he's incompetent.

If the men described here are really that universally bad, these women would be on the Trying To Conceive forum and talking them out of having children with men. They should be informed of reality.

Do they tell their daughters how useless men are? Or do they keep quiet because they want grandkids, and children who can experience the misery they experience?

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Anonymous wrote:Who organized all these events to begin with? Start there.

Why? You think children should nto have a life and get to be inovlved in these experiences? If you don't want to be a part of a child's life, don't have kids.

DP

I don’t think the child will miss the absence of OPs cookies at the old people home.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who organized all these events to begin with? Start there.

Why? You think children should nto have a life and get to be inovlved in these experiences? If you don't want to be a part of a child's life, don't have kids.

Yes and no. I grew up with a martyr mom. Even when we tried to take control/do the things, we never did it right according to her and that made everything worse. It definitely would have been better if we were involved in less because I think our household would have been less stressed as a result. I can remember going with my dad to get an outfit for my band concert and my mom yelling at us when we got home because she didn't like the shirt I had bought, even though it was completely appropriate for the concert. That was so common growing up that eventually we all stopped contributing and let her do it all since we knew we would do it all "wrong" anyways.

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