Hegseth's Grand Summoning

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In 1935 German leadership called a surprise meeting and informed their previous oath to uphold the Weimar constitution was now void and they instead must swear a personal oath to the Führer. Many claimed they didn’t like the order, but they did it anyway.

Honestly, as out there as this seems, it also seems likely.

Know what other country does stuff like this? North Korea. They'll recall all of a certain category of diplomat or military attache. You have to show up but you also know that someone (hopefully not you) is going to the gulag or to execution at that gathering.

This does seem likely.

I hope the men and women of the military stand strong.

They are going to follow the law. Unfortunately, the voters and our representatives allowed Trump to embed himself within the law. The military will follow Trump, make no mistake about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It has to be something of import. There is tremendous risk in placing that many high level people in one place.

My neighbor says they are making a safety plan for their family.....it does seem not good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump decided this weekend that he will also attend. Sounds like it creates all new security issues and protocols and he will upstage Hegseth. The egos.

Or maybe Trump was behind this all along and is only using Hegseth's "Warrior Ethos" speech as a front to cover the real purpose--a mass purging of anyone left in the upper ranks who is not personally loyal to Trump.

[Anonymous]

What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has to be something of import. There is tremendous risk in placing that many high level people in one place.

My neighbor says they are making a safety plan for their family.....it does seem not good.

Probably a good idea overall to have these plans...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has to be something of import. There is tremendous risk in placing that many high level people in one place.

My neighbor says they are making a safety plan for their family.....it does seem not good.

Can you tell us more?

[Anonymous]

Only 1/3rd of them will be in person. You’ll be fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It has to be something of import. There is tremendous risk in placing that many high level people in one place.

My neighbor says they are making a safety plan for their family.....it does seem not good.

What does that entail? A safety plan from…?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How must these people who have devoted their lives to the military feel about this Fox newsboy playing soldier with them as his GI Joes?

Just fine, thank you very much!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here have friends or relatives in the group he’s summoning? I’d love to hear their opinions of Hegseth.

I posted earlier. I have a neighbor who is a major general. From previous year’s conversations I know he and his family are not favorable of the Trump administration and are the opposite of MAGA, but opinions have not been shared much at all during this term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here have friends or relatives in the group he’s summoning? I’d love to hear their opinions of Hegseth.

I posted earlier. I have a neighbor who is a major general. From previous year’s conversations I know he and his family are not favorable of the Trump administration and are the opposite of MAGA, but opinions have not been shared much at all during this term.

They take an oath to the Constitution. Here are the oaths of office:

Oath of Enlistment
The current wording of the military oath of enlistment is as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.".
Military.com
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Oath of Office
For those entering as officers, the wording is slightly different:
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here have friends or relatives in the group he’s summoning? I’d love to hear their opinions of Hegseth.

I posted earlier. I have a neighbor who is a major general. From previous year’s conversations I know he and his family are not favorable of the Trump administration and are the opposite of MAGA, but opinions have not been shared much at all during this term.

Your friend and his family are entirely correct to keep quiet. The MO is: you follow orders and don't opine about stuff that isn't directly in your job description... until you get an order you cannot follow. This is what a lot of lawyers at DOJ did. They did their best until the worse was asked of them, and then they quit. I have friends at State. Mum's the word until you quit. Spouses, teens, etc know to also be careful about what they say and what they post on social media. I also know a few diplomats in DC - same thing, they don't want their country to become a target of retribution. This administration has done it before, over chance remarks. Sometimes it's hard to rein in the teens.

Internally... a lot of people are fighting the good fight. But you will never hear about it unless there's a huge to-do that spills out into the open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here have friends or relatives in the group he’s summoning? I’d love to hear their opinions of Hegseth.

I posted earlier. I have a neighbor who is a major general. From previous year’s conversations I know he and his family are not favorable of the Trump administration and are the opposite of MAGA, but opinions have not been shared much at all during this term.

They take an oath to the Constitution. Here are the oaths of office:

Oath of Enlistment
The current wording of the military oath of enlistment is as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.".
Military.com
+1
Oath of Office
For those entering as officers, the wording is slightly different:
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.".

Are you under the impression that the 18 year olds taking this oath are somehow constitutional scholars? They are not tasked with understanding the constitution or weighing the legality of the orders of their superiors. They follow this oath by following orders. The legality of those orders, if under question, will get determined in a courtroom, not by a teenager in uniform.

Please stop expecting the troops to magically start resisting for us. They will not. Not anymore than our congresspeople are going to fight for us, not anymore than our courts are going to fight for us. Institutions are not going to save us. Everyone is standing around waiting for someone else to step in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here have friends or relatives in the group he’s summoning? I’d love to hear their opinions of Hegseth.

I posted earlier. I have a neighbor who is a major general. From previous year’s conversations I know he and his family are not favorable of the Trump administration and are the opposite of MAGA, but opinions have not been shared much at all during this term.

They take an oath to the Constitution. Here are the oaths of office:

Oath of Enlistment
The current wording of the military oath of enlistment is as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.".
Military.com
+1
Oath of Office
For those entering as officers, the wording is slightly different:
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.".

Are you under the impression that the 18 year olds taking this oath are somehow constitutional scholars? They are not tasked with understanding the constitution or weighing the legality of the orders of their superiors. They follow this oath by following orders. The legality of those orders, if under question, will get determined in a courtroom, not by a teenager in uniform.

Please stop expecting the troops to magically start resisting for us. They will not. Not anymore than our congresspeople are going to fight for us, not anymore than our courts are going to fight for us. Institutions are not going to save us. Everyone is standing around waiting for someone else to step in.

No. You misinterpret why I posted it. They follow orders--whether they like them or not. Now, for an officer, if the order is illegal, he does not have to follow it. He should resign.

Here is a really good book to read: The Caine Mutiny by Herman Wouk.

FWIW, sending troops to Portland is not illegal. Federal law enforcement is being attacked. Like it or not, it is not illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone here have friends or relatives in the group he’s summoning? I’d love to hear their opinions of Hegseth.

I posted earlier. I have a neighbor who is a major general. From previous year’s conversations I know he and his family are not favorable of the Trump administration and are the opposite of MAGA, but opinions have not been shared much at all during this term.

They take an oath to the Constitution. Here are the oaths of office:

Oath of Enlistment
The current wording of the military oath of enlistment is as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.".
Military.com
+1
Oath of Office
For those entering as officers, the wording is slightly different:
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.".

Yeah, we know. They know.