California vs federal government

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Anonymous wrote:Between the riots/national guard/marines being deployed by Trump and Trump threatening to cut if federal funding - what is the end result here? Can California also cut of giving taxes to the federal government? Can they leave the union? Will this be the beginning of an actual split in states?

They can leave the union. The talk is Washington, Oregon and California leaving the Union and joining Canada as three provinces. Trump and the Republicans will happy let them go. All republicans hate California and the west coast.

Yet, there are millions of Rs in the west coast.

If CA ever moved to Canada, we might actually move back to CA.

the only problem with that map is that parts of PA and VA would likely want in...and what would happen to the college football conferences? Because that matters to a lot of MAGAs.

The big problem with the map is Colorado and New Mexico. They would want to join California but are cut off. Maybe a deal could be reached with Mexico for free movement? Texas has a very strong independent movement. They will not join California movement to Canada but would leave at the same time.

I think most people would be very excited and supportive of this.

The fact that we can even have a rational discussion about this is scary AF.

It’s because it will eventually happen within the next twenty years.

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Anonymous wrote:Democrats do not like that Trump is enforcing immigration law. They are supporting people who are interfering with this enforcement.

Even doing this non-violently was enough to declare insurrection during Shay's Rebellion.

I know this is hard for you to understand but without due process there are no federal laws. It is really the Republicans who are acting outside the law.

There is due process.
Democrats just like to repeat this mantra that there isn't.

Because there isn't. If there were, we wouldn't see people legally in the US being sent to El Salvador, now would we?

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Anonymous wrote:Between the riots/national guard/marines being deployed by Trump and Trump threatening to cut if federal funding - what is the end result here? Can California also cut of giving taxes to the federal government? Can they leave the union? Will this be the beginning of an actual split in states?

They can leave the union. The talk is Washington, Oregon and California leaving the Union and joining Canada as three provinces. Trump and the Republicans will happy let them go. All republicans hate California and the west coast.

Yet, there are millions of Rs in the west coast.

If CA ever moved to Canada, we might actually move back to CA.

the only problem with that map is that parts of PA and VA would likely want in...and what would happen to the college football conferences? Because that matters to a lot of MAGAs.

The big problem with the map is Colorado and New Mexico. They would want to join California but are cut off. Maybe a deal could be reached with Mexico for free movement? Texas has a very strong independent movement. They will not join California movement to Canada but would leave at the same time.

I think most people would be very excited and supportive of this.

Nevada would reluctantly go with California, securing Vegas. Texas would break off separately taking Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and maybe Utah to make their own union. Broke down Oklahoma might beg to join them so as it not get left behind.

Colorado and NM would go with CA, even if it meant the connection was through Mexico

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Anonymous wrote:Between the riots/national guard/marines being deployed by Trump and Trump threatening to cut if federal funding - what is the end result here? Can California also cut of giving taxes to the federal government? Can they leave the union? Will this be the beginning of an actual split in states?

They can leave the union. The talk is Washington, Oregon and California leaving the Union and joining Canada as three provinces. Trump and the Republicans will happy let them go. All republicans hate California and the west coast.

Yet, there are millions of Rs in the west coast.

If CA ever moved to Canada, we might actually move back to CA.

the only problem with that map is that parts of PA and VA would likely want in...and what would happen to the college football conferences? Because that matters to a lot of MAGAs.

The big problem with the map is Colorado and New Mexico. They would want to join California but are cut off. Maybe a deal could be reached with Mexico for free movement? Texas has a very strong independent movement. They will not join California movement to Canada but would leave at the same time.

I think most people would be very excited and supportive of this.

The fact that we can even have a rational discussion about this is scary AF.

It’s because it will eventually happen within the next twenty years.

Who knows. Sometimes a divorce seems really appealing but who gets the family nukes? Just split them up I suppose.

[Anonymous]

The military industrial complex is going to want to go with the money side of the split.

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Anonymous wrote:California can try to leave and guess what? It'll collapse in a month.

California has to import the vast majority of its energy. How will CA get enough oil to sustain its entire state? CA hospitals have to import a huge amount of medicine. How will CA get medicines from abroad when no countries will ship medicines directly to CA? They have to negotiate imports with a federal govt. CA would collapse in a matter of weeks as they watch the sticks of medicines in their pharmacies and hospitals crash in no time.

California has refineries for oil and would just get it from somewhere else, but more likely would just ramp up solar, wind, hydro and where safe given earthquakes, nuclear. On its own, California would strike deals with Europe and China and continue to be the economic engine that it is. Why would you assert that other countries wouldn't do business with California if it were an independent country? They would be a more reliable trading partner than Trump's US currently is.

Lmao. You need materials for all of that, dumbass. How do you build solar, wind, hydro without metal, solar panels (most of which are imported from China), copper, cement, nuclear materials.

Absolutely de-lu-lu dum dum. Once again, how would California strike deals with the EU or China? They would have no currency. They would be cut off from international banking and the US dollar. Even if California wanted to pay with its own, brand new currency, how would it do it given that it would be immediately blocked from the international banking system? And how would California even be able to import all of the materials, energy, and medicines needed to survive? The federal govt would block their airspace with the USAF, it would block trucking into the state to the east with the US Army, and it would blockade the entire western coastline with the full might of the US Navy.

You and the rest of the Dems clearly haven't thought it through.

I think you know that DoD, DAF, DON, and USArmy have large installations from San Diego, CA to Silverdale, WA. Those installations and all that they entail would become the property of the new government.

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Anonymous wrote:They can try to leave the union as the south did in the Civil War era.

There aren't borders that can be protected. On the other hand a civil war now would destroy the US economy, and the public would see Trump as the reason it happened. I don't think it gets that far, but it also isn't out of the realm of possibility.

As it is, state compacts between CA/OR/WA already make a trading block and the same has or is happening with eastern states, so perhaps Russia gets its fever dream of a weaker north America.

Dumbest idea of all time. And what currency would CA/OR/WA use for International trade even assuming any country would trade with them? They would be cut off from banking and US currency. Individual states have no ability to back their currency even if they tried to invent their own. And even fewer countries would accept payment in CA dollars,.lol.

You Dems are truly delusional and haven't really thought it through, have you? Individual states would collapse immediately after being cutout of the banking system and from US currency. They'd lose all ability to obtain good from abroad, which is where tons of energy, food, and medicines come from.

First of all, this isn't a "dem" idea...the idea of splitting up the country has been the southern dream for more than a century and it has been fomented by Russia for decades.

Second, some states would fare better than others. A block of CA/OR/WA would control the west coast, have port access and economic opportunities as the 3rd largest economic country in the world.

I am not sure how well the former confederacy would do. Other than the Mississippi corridor, there isn't a lot there to spur jobs and growth.

Lmao..sure, you'd control the west coast with what navy, Air Force and army? California has zero destroyers, aircraft carriers, and AC gunships. As if they could take them over and run it themselves.

Lolol. De lu lu clown.

lol why would republicans fight to keep California? Besides California contributes the most personal to the US military. It’s just not California leaving. If California leaves no blue state would want to remain.

But let’s talk about your scenario. How is the US Pacific fleet supplied? Where does all logistics move through? Might want to look in to that before attacking California. Remember China will be watching.

Attacking California? Corerction: You mean attacking the leftist DNC and their operators in California.

What the f are you smoking? You want to invade California and replace the elected government with maga idiots?

This is liberal Bill Maher after experiencing the state of California government and their insane permitting, licensing and bureacracy on a solar project, which is supposedly what all you liberals want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwIbpbljl6A

Maher is a Libertarian. Big difference. He has been Libertarian for over a decade, if not longer. You must have just started watching him and formulated your beliefs based on hearsay talking points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If California were to secede, then Trump could invade, and turn it into a colony. The resources that are currently being blocked could then be developed.

Definitely a fight of brother against brother. Mother against daughter. Cousin against cousin. Freak life civil war and trumps’s true legacy.

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Anonymous wrote:All the drivers of Ca and Washington and Oregon economy like big tech, the movie industry, Nike, and other big companies would move headquarters immediately to the eastern US if those western states seceded.

The power is in America as a block.

You wish.

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Anonymous wrote:If California were to secede, then Trump could invade, and turn it into a colony. The resources that are currently being blocked could then be developed.

Definitely a fight of brother against brother. Mother against daughter. Cousin against cousin. Freak life civil war and trumps’s true legacy.

Calm down. California is wealthy. Trump is in this for the money. There may be a way to just work this out with a little crypto.

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Throw in some nice planes, investment funds, and some hotel golf complexes and they have got a deal.

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Anonymous wrote:If California were to secede, then Trump could invade, and turn it into a colony. The resources that are currently being blocked could then be developed.

Definitely a fight of brother against brother. Mother against daughter. Cousin against cousin. Freak life civil war and trumps’s true legacy.

Calm down. California is wealthy. Trump is in this for the money. There may be a way to just work this out with a little crypto.

LMAO. California is $500B in debt and is the most indebted state in the entire country. It's amazing how horrifically bad it is run and how much debt they rack up when they tax people up to over 12%. Insane.

That's what happens when you give a whole bunch of illegal immigrants free healthcare and free everything else.

CA is bankrupt.

https://reason.org/commentary/californias-state-and-local-government-debt-is-over-500-billion/

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Anonymous wrote:If California were to secede, then Trump could invade, and turn it into a colony. The resources that are currently being blocked could then be developed.

Definitely a fight of brother against brother. Mother against daughter. Cousin against cousin. Freak life civil war and trumps’s true legacy.

Calm down. California is wealthy. Trump is in this for the money. There may be a way to just work this out with a little crypto.

LMAO. California is $500B in debt and is the most indebted state in the entire country. It's amazing how horrifically bad it is run and how much debt they rack up when they tax people up to over 12%. Insane.

That's what happens when you give a whole bunch of illegal immigrants free healthcare and free everything else.

CA is bankrupt.

https://reason.org/commentary/californias-state-and-local-government-debt-is-over-500-billion/

Debt per capita and they are not even in the top five. They will come up with it. Relax.

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Anonymous wrote:If California were to secede, then Trump could invade, and turn it into a colony. The resources that are currently being blocked could then be developed.

Definitely a fight of brother against brother. Mother against daughter. Cousin against cousin. Freak life civil war and trumps’s true legacy.

Calm down. California is wealthy. Trump is in this for the money. There may be a way to just work this out with a little crypto.

LMAO. California is $500B in debt and is the most indebted state in the entire country. It's amazing how horrifically bad it is run and how much debt they rack up when they tax people up to over 12%. Insane.

That's what happens when you give a whole bunch of illegal immigrants free healthcare and free everything else.

CA is bankrupt.

https://reason.org/commentary/californias-state-and-local-government-debt-is-over-500-billion/

Cool. How much do they pay in federal taxes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Between the riots/national guard/marines being deployed by Trump and Trump threatening to cut if federal funding - what is the end result here? Can California also cut of giving taxes to the federal government? Can they leave the union? Will this be the beginning of an actual split in states?

They can leave the union. The talk is Washington, Oregon and California leaving the Union and joining Canada as three provinces. Trump and the Republicans will happy let them go. All republicans hate California and the west coast.

Yet, there are millions of Rs in the west coast.

If CA ever moved to Canada, we might actually move back to CA.

the only problem with that map is that parts of PA and VA would likely want in...and what would happen to the college football conferences? Because that matters to a lot of MAGAs.

The big problem with the map is Colorado and New Mexico. They would want to join California but are cut off. Maybe a deal could be reached with Mexico for free movement? Texas has a very strong independent movement. They will not join California movement to Canada but would leave at the same time.

I think most people would be very excited and supportive of this.

Nevada would reluctantly go with California, securing Vegas. Texas would break off separately taking Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico and maybe Utah to make their own union. Broke down Oklahoma might beg to join them so as it not get left behind.

This is silly. With this much instability most states would not stay intact. Most states are just as politically and ideologically polarized as the country as a whole.