Why are so many parents fumbling raising boys?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, suddenly all parents are bad at raising boys. /s

The actual reason is that stereotypical boy traits are being less valued in schools and workplaces, while girls have more opportunities than ever, so boys suddenly feel a disadvantage. Add in social media and “manosphere” stuff and that’s it.

This. They’re told by all their authority figures that they’re the ones who caused the harm to all those who have been victimized throughout society. Then they have to reconcile guilt that they never should’ve had with their own masculinity and instincts. This isn’t wholly a parent problem although I’ll be the first to say that parents who pile on to this nonsense don’t help.

Pray tell what are these stereotypical boy traits that are no longer valued,,?

Tell me you don’t have school age children without telling me.

Are you kidding?

Basically all male centric traits are swept aside now under the new banner of “kindness.”

But they are not biologically boy traits. They are traits some children have and perhaps more boys have those traits, but it’s not just boy traits.

Are you saying that a girl who is a tactile learner and learns by doing and who needs more outside activity shouldn’t receive that because she’s a girl?

DP, but this response is an excellent example of the confident stupidity and ignorance that now dominates almost all of our societal discourse. People seem to be less and less capable of perceiving nuance as time goes on; everyone is engaging in black and white thinking and just trying to “win” rather than even attempt to *think* about what another person is saying before responding with their own (most likely) incorrect and/or irrelevant counterpoint.

What’s the most interesting about your ignorant and uneducated response? Is that the post you are responding to is saying it’s way more nuance than the black-and-white thinking that schools are bad for boys and good for girls.

It’s simply not true. It’s way more nuanced..

The problem is we believe schools should be one way for everyone and when that doesn’t work, we change to another one way. But we need to do is offer different options for kids, depending on the way they learn..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, suddenly all parents are bad at raising boys. /s

The actual reason is that stereotypical boy traits are being less valued in schools and workplaces, while girls have more opportunities than ever, so boys suddenly feel a disadvantage. Add in social media and “manosphere” stuff and that’s it.

This. They’re told by all their authority figures that they’re the ones who caused the harm to all those who have been victimized throughout society. Then they have to reconcile guilt that they never should’ve had with their own masculinity and instincts. This isn’t wholly a parent problem although I’ll be the first to say that parents who pile on to this nonsense don’t help.

Pray tell what are these stereotypical boy traits that are no longer valued,,?

Tell me you don’t have school age children without telling me.

Are you kidding?

Basically all male centric traits are swept aside now under the new banner of “kindness.”

But they are not biologically boy traits. They are traits some children have and perhaps more boys have those traits, but it’s not just boy traits.

Are you saying that a girl who is a tactile learner and learns by doing and who needs more outside activity shouldn’t receive that because she’s a girl?

DP, but this response is an excellent example of the confident stupidity and ignorance that now dominates almost all of our societal discourse. People seem to be less and less capable of perceiving nuance as time goes on; everyone is engaging in black and white thinking and just trying to “win” rather than even attempt to *think* about what another person is saying before responding with their own (most likely) incorrect and/or irrelevant counterpoint.

What’s the most interesting about your ignorant and uneducated response? Is that the post you are responding to is saying it’s way more nuance than the black-and-white thinking that schools are bad for boys and good for girls.

It’s simply not true. It’s way more nuanced..

The problem is we believe schools should be one way for everyone and when that doesn’t work, we change to another one way. But we need to do is offer different options for kids, depending on the way they learn..

Your post is almost incoherent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have one of each - boy and girl. By the time they were 2 or 3, they were well aware of stereotypes.

I appreciate the comments on the lack of good role models for boys. Look at our current administration and their values and behavior.

While I believe that there are very minor biological differences between the two, it is exacerbated by how we parent. For instance, boys are born slightly better with spatial skills. They are given more toys like legos that enhance those skills and play with them more and get more practice. Over time, the difference snowballs into a significant gap. While the boys were playing with the legos, the girls were given dolls, so they were practicing their social emotional skills. Again, over time, the minor biological difference turns into something quite significant when they enter kindergarten.

There are very major biological differences between men and women. This is a scientific fact and much of these differences are innate rather than culture or environment.

If it’s biological, why is it not true for some men and why is it not true for some women?

Take a remedial statistics course before you ask stupid questions.

No thanks I’m a mathematician and was a statistician for a while.

Please name a biological fact that affects boys/girls unless it’s something to do with their penis and vagina it’s not biological.

Testosterone

What about women that have more testosterone than your husband?

Does that make her a man or does that make your husband a woman?

That would make the husband a Democrat.

[Anonymous]

I think we did pretty well with our DS. Post-covid he tried online and sitting in college classes and didn't like it. He went to trade school and is doing very well. He has a very mature respectful relationship with a young woman his age who is headed to law school soon. He's kind to animals and all living things. He has several different and diverse friend groups. He's paying his bills and we are generous with large gifts b/c he's respectful and it's a tradition in both our families to support the adult kids well - when they're young and they need it (not hoarding the big inheritance until the end when they're senior citizens and don't need it).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one of each - boy and girl. By the time they were 2 or 3, they were well aware of stereotypes.

I appreciate the comments on the lack of good role models for boys. Look at our current administration and their values and behavior.

While I believe that there are very minor biological differences between the two, it is exacerbated by how we parent. For instance, boys are born slightly better with spatial skills. They are given more toys like legos that enhance those skills and play with them more and get more practice. Over time, the difference snowballs into a significant gap. While the boys were playing with the legos, the girls were given dolls, so they were practicing their social emotional skills. Again, over time, the minor biological difference turns into something quite significant when they enter kindergarten.

There are very major biological differences between men and women. This is a scientific fact and much of these differences are innate rather than culture or environment.

If it’s biological, why is it not true for some men and why is it not true for some women?

Take a remedial statistics course before you ask stupid questions.

No thanks I’m a mathematician and was a statistician for a while.

Please name a biological fact that affects boys/girls unless it’s something to do with their penis and vagina it’s not biological.

Testosterone

What about women that have more testosterone than your husband?

Does that make her a man or does that make your husband a woman?

That would make the husband a Democrat.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have one of each - boy and girl. By the time they were 2 or 3, they were well aware of stereotypes.

I appreciate the comments on the lack of good role models for boys. Look at our current administration and their values and behavior.

While I believe that there are very minor biological differences between the two, it is exacerbated by how we parent. For instance, boys are born slightly better with spatial skills. They are given more toys like legos that enhance those skills and play with them more and get more practice. Over time, the difference snowballs into a significant gap. While the boys were playing with the legos, the girls were given dolls, so they were practicing their social emotional skills. Again, over time, the minor biological difference turns into something quite significant when they enter kindergarten.

There are very major biological differences between men and women. This is a scientific fact and much of these differences are innate rather than culture or environment.

If it’s biological, why is it not true for some men and why is it not true for some women?

Take a remedial statistics course before you ask stupid questions.

No thanks I’m a mathematician and was a statistician for a while.

Please name a biological fact that affects boys/girls unless it’s something to do with their penis and vagina it’s not biological.

Testosterone

What about women that have more testosterone than your husband?

Does that make her a man or does that make your husband a woman?

That would make the husband a Democrat.

I don’t know.. why are so many Republicans afraid to compete against women? Low testosterone.

They need to stop breaking grinder when they get together

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, suddenly all parents are bad at raising boys. /s

The actual reason is that stereotypical boy traits are being less valued in schools and workplaces, while girls have more opportunities than ever, so boys suddenly feel a disadvantage. Add in social media and “manosphere” stuff and that’s it.

This. They’re told by all their authority figures that they’re the ones who caused the harm to all those who have been victimized throughout society. Then they have to reconcile guilt that they never should’ve had with their own masculinity and instincts. This isn’t wholly a parent problem although I’ll be the first to say that parents who pile on to this nonsense don’t help.

Pray tell what are these stereotypical boy traits that are no longer valued,,?

Tell me you don’t have school age children without telling me.

Are you kidding?

Basically all male centric traits are swept aside now under the new banner of “kindness.”

But they are not biologically boy traits. They are traits some children have and perhaps more boys have those traits, but it’s not just boy traits.

Are you saying that a girl who is a tactile learner and learns by doing and who needs more outside activity shouldn’t receive that because she’s a girl?

DP, but this response is an excellent example of the confident stupidity and ignorance that now dominates almost all of our societal discourse. People seem to be less and less capable of perceiving nuance as time goes on; everyone is engaging in black and white thinking and just trying to “win” rather than even attempt to *think* about what another person is saying before responding with their own (most likely) incorrect and/or irrelevant counterpoint.

What’s the most interesting about your ignorant and uneducated response? Is that the post you are responding to is saying it’s way more nuance than the black-and-white thinking that schools are bad for boys and good for girls.

It’s simply not true. It’s way more nuanced..

The problem is we believe schools should be one way for everyone and when that doesn’t work, we change to another one way. But we need to do is offer different options for kids, depending on the way they learn..

Your post is almost incoherent.

Only to you, hon

[Anonymous]

I just finished reading Boys Adrift by Leonard Sax. It discusses the reasons why many boys fail to launch, many of which have been mentioned in this thread.
I highly recommend this book if you are raising a boy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, suddenly all parents are bad at raising boys. /s

The actual reason is that stereotypical boy traits are being less valued in schools and workplaces, while girls have more opportunities than ever, so boys suddenly feel a disadvantage. Add in social media and “manosphere” stuff and that’s it.

This. They’re told by all their authority figures that they’re the ones who caused the harm to all those who have been victimized throughout society. Then they have to reconcile guilt that they never should’ve had with their own masculinity and instincts. This isn’t wholly a parent problem although I’ll be the first to say that parents who pile on to this nonsense don’t help.

Pray tell what are these stereotypical boy traits that are no longer valued,,?

Tell me you don’t have school age children without telling me.

Are you kidding?

Basically all male centric traits are swept aside now under the new banner of “kindness.”

But they are not biologically boy traits. They are traits some children have and perhaps more boys have those traits, but it’s not just boy traits.

Are you saying that a girl who is a tactile learner and learns by doing and who needs more outside activity shouldn’t receive that because she’s a girl?

DP, but this response is an excellent example of the confident stupidity and ignorance that now dominates almost all of our societal discourse. People seem to be less and less capable of perceiving nuance as time goes on; everyone is engaging in black and white thinking and just trying to “win” rather than even attempt to *think* about what another person is saying before responding with their own (most likely) incorrect and/or irrelevant counterpoint.

What’s the most interesting about your ignorant and uneducated response? Is that the post you are responding to is saying it’s way more nuance than the black-and-white thinking that schools are bad for boys and good for girls.

It’s simply not true. It’s way more nuanced..

The problem is we believe schools should be one way for everyone and when that doesn’t work, we change to another one way. But we need to do is offer different options for kids, depending on the way they learn..

Your post is almost incoherent.

Only to you, hon

You dumb, girl

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with boys?

My son is 13 and seems fine to me. He is polite and well mannered. I raise him the same as I do my girls: he has chores, has to play in instrument, be in a sport, reads books at home, screen time is limited, doesn’t have a phone yet, doesn’t hang around with the boys doing the wrong things, excels in school. I’m not doing any special “boy” parenting, just trying my best to be an overall good parent.

Why do they have to be in a sport? I understand the schools requirements to learn all sports but not every kid wants to play a sport outside of school. Maybe this is one of the problems. For some reason parents can’t deal with their boys not wanting to play sports. The parents pretend that it’s all about health but it’s not. Nobody needs a sport to be healthy. And girls who play softball can tend to be overweight. Guys on football teams can be obese and they play certain positions.

Stop glorifying sports might help with aggression and meanness in boys. This is the parents fault 100%.

As a mom to boys I consider that my boys will have more muscle mass than females and will have to learn how to use that to work and to stay in shape. I figure they will need to do more hands on work around the house, and I figure they may be called up to war. I also realize that boys tend to socialize through sports and so sports is a way to teach many social skills and resilience skills. It's not the only thing I think is important and my kids are involved in church and scouts, and band, but it's something that I think is important for these reasons.

[Anonymous]

Old fathers. Old mothers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with boys?

My son is 13 and seems fine to me. He is polite and well mannered. I raise him the same as I do my girls: he has chores, has to play in instrument, be in a sport, reads books at home, screen time is limited, doesn’t have a phone yet, doesn’t hang around with the boys doing the wrong things, excels in school. I’m not doing any special “boy” parenting, just trying my best to be an overall good parent.

Why do they have to be in a sport? I understand the schools requirements to learn all sports but not every kid wants to play a sport outside of school. Maybe this is one of the problems. For some reason parents can’t deal with their boys not wanting to play sports. The parents pretend that it’s all about health but it’s not. Nobody needs a sport to be healthy. And girls who play softball can tend to be overweight. Guys on football teams can be obese and they play certain positions.

Stop glorifying sports might help with aggression and meanness in boys. This is the parents fault 100%.

As a mom to boys I consider that my boys will have more muscle mass than females and will have to learn how to use that to work and to stay in shape. I figure they will need to do more hands on work around the house, and I figure they may be called up to war. I also realize that boys tend to socialize through sports and so sports is a way to teach many social skills and resilience skills. It's not the only thing I think is important and my kids are involved in church and scouts, and band, but it's something that I think is important for these reasons.

Wut????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure, suddenly all parents are bad at raising boys. /s

The actual reason is that stereotypical boy traits are being less valued in schools and workplaces, while girls have more opportunities than ever, so boys suddenly feel a disadvantage. Add in social media and “manosphere” stuff and that’s it.

This. They’re told by all their authority figures that they’re the ones who caused the harm to all those who have been victimized throughout society. Then they have to reconcile guilt that they never should’ve had with their own masculinity and instincts. This isn’t wholly a parent problem although I’ll be the first to say that parents who pile on to this nonsense don’t help.

Pray tell what are these stereotypical boy traits that are no longer valued,,?

Tell me you don’t have school age children without telling me.

Are you kidding?

Basically all male centric traits are swept aside now under the new banner of “kindness.”

But they are not biologically boy traits. They are traits some children have and perhaps more boys have those traits, but it’s not just boy traits.

Are you saying that a girl who is a tactile learner and learns by doing and who needs more outside activity shouldn’t receive that because she’s a girl?

DP, but this response is an excellent example of the confident stupidity and ignorance that now dominates almost all of our societal discourse. People seem to be less and less capable of perceiving nuance as time goes on; everyone is engaging in black and white thinking and just trying to “win” rather than even attempt to *think* about what another person is saying before responding with their own (most likely) incorrect and/or irrelevant counterpoint.

What’s the most interesting about your ignorant and uneducated response? Is that the post you are responding to is saying it’s way more nuance than the black-and-white thinking that schools are bad for boys and good for girls.

It’s simply not true. It’s way more nuanced..

The problem is we believe schools should be one way for everyone and when that doesn’t work, we change to another one way. But we need to do is offer different options for kids, depending on the way they learn..

Your post is almost incoherent.

Only to you, hon

You dumb, girl

Still can’t name a trait. But sure keep posting nonsense and pretend we forgot that you can’t think of one trait.

[Anonymous]

I raised a successful and kind son and daughter. These threads are so stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just finished reading Boys Adrift by Leonard Sax. It discusses the reasons why many boys fail to launch, many of which have been mentioned in this thread.
I highly recommend this book if you are raising a boy.

Does he imagine it’s just harder now to compete on a level playing field?

Does he really think that meat milk eggs are causing problems?

Revenge of the forsaken God phenomenon… I mean, can’t he just admit men work too much and they’re not home with their children?