Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

[Anonymous]

1. People need to respect nature. It's the land - you can't have a zillion rich people build up in places like these with Santa Ana winds, drought conditions, limited water supplies. Duh. There is only so much you can do to fight nature. Nature wins EVERY time. EVERY EVERY EVERY time. See hurricanes, earthquakes, et al.

2. People don't understand that wildfires to some extent are nature's way of regenerating themselves. If you are there - that is sad for you.

3. You can (I know human nature is too stupid) rebuild there but I don't know if any business sensible organization ie ordinary insurance co. will will work with you. So anyone who does does at their own risk, as well as they should incur that risk - nobody else, ie rest of people who should not have their premiums raised.

4. There's simply too many people is all. Not enough land. It's not just global warming. Maybe some of the time it can be related to climate changing setting off the spark for these tragedies but not every time. People need to stop blaming global warming for every damn thing. While I think we definitely damage the planet, we do it by stuff like this. We don't respect the land at all. We build, rebuild, pollute, think we can fight nature and have exactly what we want by spending enough tech/money on it. We can't. We do what we can to survive. There's a point where greed doesn't dominate. Not sure what the answer is except that you have to be prepared for these things if you live in those parts. Not sure why it's this huge surprise. Kinda like FL - if you choose to live where wildfires, hurricanes have happened, guess what will happen consistently? You can do it but you have to manage expectations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So much misinformation in this thread.

Maybe reading about this fire can help some of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire

And if you think no one should live where there is a natural disaster what are you going to do with all the red states full of tornadoes and hurricanes? Plus, thanks to your fracking Oklahoma now has earthquakes? No place is safe from natural disasters. It’s amazing how when tragedy strikes in a red state you people are all “we’ve got to help these people!” And when it’s a blue state, you’re just full of hate and blame and absolutely stupid, uninformed takes about why things happen or how they should be handled.

I'm in Florida and see the opposite here constantly actually, even people actively wishing ill on Florida during hurricane season. So I think you are deeply mistaken. And anyone who actually lives in a natural disaster area has empathy and good thoughts only for CA residents dealing with fires right now, because we get how terrifying it is!

I am glad you have such kindness knowing that majority of Ca could care so little about your well being. Personally I feel bad for anyone going through a natural disaster. We went through one in a different state and experienced the kindness of organizations like Samaritans purse -they will be there soon if not already.

As a Californian who just left FL (business trip), unfortunately my take is her generosity of spirit is unusual. Some Floridians are absolutely gleeful.

Who is gleeful? Specific people you know today were telling you, a CA person, that they were happy about CA fires?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

Yeah and taxing the Uber wealthy at every possible opportunity (think tax on houses valued over Xmillion) is the fastest way to get it there. CA seems like it’s in a death spiral in so many ways, I really hope this doesn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

Is the Eaton space center ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

Californian here:

Uh, what? California spent nearly $3B on fire mitigation in 2023 and spent another $4B from the Feds.

People should be angry at themselves for building in a place that is not hospitable to homes. Southern California is literally grasslands-desert.

How much more should California spend? At a certain point, this is a matter of personal responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

Californian here:

Uh, what? California spent nearly $3B on fire mitigation in 2023 and spent another $4B from the Feds.

People should be angry at themselves for building in a place that is not hospitable to homes. Southern California is literally grasslands-desert.

How much more should California spend? At a certain point, this is a matter of personal responsibility.

Maybe stop building homes in a fire prone area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

They can't control hurricane force winds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

Californian here:

Uh, what? California spent nearly $3B on fire mitigation in 2023 and spent another $4B from the Feds.

People should be angry at themselves for building in a place that is not hospitable to homes. Southern California is literally grasslands-desert.

How much more should California spend? At a certain point, this is a matter of personal responsibility.

NP- I don't get this. These are well-established neighborhoods, over 100 years old. Many folks have been there for decades, normal MC people. What are they supposed to do? Are you welcoming them in your DC mansion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

Californian here:

Uh, what? California spent nearly $3B on fire mitigation in 2023 and spent another $4B from the Feds.

People should be angry at themselves for building in a place that is not hospitable to homes. Southern California is literally grasslands-desert.

How much more should California spend? At a certain point, this is a matter of personal responsibility.

+1 Its like people who lost homes here in the derecho and blaming them for living there - you can't control extreme conditions like 70 mph winds. That's beyond the realm of mitigation preparations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

They can't control hurricane force winds.

Do you think wind starts fires?