Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

They can't control hurricane force winds.

Do you think wind starts fires?

DP. Do you know what fire weather is?

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PS - if you know people looking to buy in SoCal, they should sign an offer TODAY. I predict nice beach cities that are not fire prone - Manhattan Beach, Redondo, Long Beach, Seal Beach, etc - are going to SKYROCKET in price as all the Pac-Pali rich folks look to buy another home ASAP.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

You seem to not be able to distinguish between preventing them from happening and adopting strategies to minimize their impact. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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It's not about wind starting fires you idiot.

Wildfires happen. It's a natural occurrence. Maybe you see them, maybe you don't. But you can't prevent them. Depending on where you are, you're impacted. We are impacted greatly because we built on that land there. Santa Ana's have always been around. Maybe the drought conditions hastened the magnitude of this one but it doesn't matter what started them.

We can't control the winds but they def come into play for how quickly and huge this fire spread. It'll always be that way. So basically, we cannot control fires - we can only control where we are in relation to where they happen.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

Californian here:

Uh, what? California spent nearly $3B on fire mitigation in 2023 and spent another $4B from the Feds.

People should be angry at themselves for building in a place that is not hospitable to homes. Southern California is literally grasslands-desert.

How much more should California spend? At a certain point, this is a matter of personal responsibility.

NP- I don't get this. These are well-established neighborhoods, over 100 years old. Many folks have been there for decades, normal MC people. What are they supposed to do? Are you welcoming them in your DC mansion?

Climate change doesn't care about your feelings or your socioeconomic class. It comes for everything.

Pacific Palisades was NOT a fire prone area in 100 years ago. Now? It is a fire prone area. That's nature kicking butts without apologies. And there's not much that could've been done aside from eminent domain and razing the homes.

But I'm sure you and all the Pacific Palisades residents would not have a hissy fit over that...

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Anonymous wrote:It's not about wind starting fires you idiot.

Wildfires happen. It's a natural occurrence. Maybe you see them, maybe you don't. But you can't prevent them. Depending on where you are, you're impacted. We are impacted greatly because we built on that land there. Santa Ana's have always been around. Maybe the drought conditions hastened the magnitude of this one but it doesn't matter what started them.

We can't control the winds but they def come into play for how quickly and huge this fire spread. It'll always be that way. So basically, we cannot control fires - we can only control where we are in relation to where they happen.

NP Burying power lines does help, and LA is doing this progressively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

You seem to not be able to distinguish between preventing them from happening and adopting strategies to minimize their impact. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Well then - how do we do that - smart ass? Looks like we haven't have we?? The point is we can't effectively minimize their impact. We can try but we won't succeed. We can do our best to protect lives from death. We can't actually stop the kind of fire that burns through 5 football stadiums in a minute. Why don't you give it your best shot!

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Anonymous wrote:It's not about wind starting fires you idiot.

Wildfires happen. It's a natural occurrence. Maybe you see them, maybe you don't. But you can't prevent them. Depending on where you are, you're impacted. We are impacted greatly because we built on that land there. Santa Ana's have always been around. Maybe the drought conditions hastened the magnitude of this one but it doesn't matter what started them.

We can't control the winds but they def come into play for how quickly and huge this fire spread. It'll always be that way. So basically, we cannot control fires - we can only control where we are in relation to where they happen.

It's definitely the drought conditions that caused this to be so devastating. Its why insurers pulled out of the area a few months ago once it became clear that the drought was not going to improve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS - if you know people looking to buy in SoCal, they should sign an offer TODAY. I predict nice beach cities that are not fire prone - Manhattan Beach, Redondo, Long Beach, Seal Beach, etc - are going to SKYROCKET in price as all the Pac-Pali rich folks look to buy another home ASAP.

Please don't relocate to the Midwest

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not about wind starting fires you idiot.

Wildfires happen. It's a natural occurrence. Maybe you see them, maybe you don't. But you can't prevent them. Depending on where you are, you're impacted. We are impacted greatly because we built on that land there. Santa Ana's have always been around. Maybe the drought conditions hastened the magnitude of this one but it doesn't matter what started them.

We can't control the winds but they def come into play for how quickly and huge this fire spread. It'll always be that way. So basically, we cannot control fires - we can only control where we are in relation to where they happen.

Nothing can be done? Nothing at all? Come on.

[Anonymous]

This situation is why it's not helpful to mock people or make light of those who live in areas hit by disasters. To lose your home and belongings is disatrous and heartbreaking for anyone, regardless of income level.

[Anonymous]

Stop buying/rebuilding homes in very disaster prone areas.

Pro Tip - if the home is uninsurable or the rates are unaffordable, don’t buy there. Insurers are telling you something. You just don’t want to hear it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

They can't control hurricane force winds.

Do you think wind starts fires?

DP. Do you know what fire weather is?

Do you know what controlled burns are? Burying power lines? Shutting off power? There are things that can be done. After the Napa fire they started preemptively shutting off power in high winds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop buying/rebuilding homes in very disaster prone areas.

Pro Tip - if the home is uninsurable or the rates are unaffordable, don’t buy there. Insurers are telling you something. You just don’t want to hear it.

We're talking about a lot of people who are older, been there generations, couldn't afford to buy right now without leaving their home state. The lack of compassion is astounding. I don't think anyone on this board is currently home shopping in LA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

Californian here. I think it’s entirely possible that the state turns deep red politically. There is already a lot of anger at the left simmering under the surface.

This is your wet dream isn't it. Blame the left for everything that has happened there including natural disasters.

It's naive to think certain decisions and policies didn't make this situation much worse than it could have been. They knew damn well the risks of wild fires and did little to prevent them.

How the F does one prevent wild fires? Like just wave a magic wand? I mean - this is what stupid means - wildfires don't exist because of humans. They happen whether we are around or not. You can't prevent wild + fire. What you do is you accept them. You figure out how to manage your expectations around them happening - what your plan is when they occur. They will occur and reoccur and there is not a DAMN thing a human being can do to prevent them from occurring! Like - how do you prevent to sun from rising or ocean tides?? Ugh.

Ask PG&E maybe they can give you a clue.

This. Power lines cause most of these fires. I saw one start as I was driving. A power line dropped onto the side of a hill, sparked and a fire started instantly and started spreading.