Palisades Fire - Los Angeles

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

Guess what? Sometimes that actually does make it worse. You listen to your fire department and follow their instructions.

What?

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

Exactly. My family was never uber rich but comfortable upper middle class and wouldn’t be able to start over in the same place. Many neighbors were regular jobs like electricians and teachers who bought in the 70s, 80s, paid off home and continued on. They will never be able to rebuild and live in the same communities. It’s sad.

My friend in Palisades lost his home. It was a multimillion dollar home but that was his main asset. He doesn't have millions squirreled away to rebuild. A lot of people end up in the position that they could never afford to buy their own home even 5 years later with the way real estate prices increase. I don't know what these people will do, there are millions of them.

There are not millions of them. During this fire, there are probably dozens. They will sell the land because land in the palisades is worth a fortune

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

Exactly. My family was never uber rich but comfortable upper middle class and wouldn’t be able to start over in the same place. Many neighbors were regular jobs like electricians and teachers who bought in the 70s, 80s, paid off home and continued on. They will never be able to rebuild and live in the same communities. It’s sad.

My friend in Palisades lost his home. It was a multimillion dollar home but that was his main asset. He doesn't have millions squirreled away to rebuild. A lot of people end up in the position that they could never afford to buy their own home even 5 years later with the way real estate prices increase. I don't know what these people will do, there are millions of them.

Well no, at the moment 300k have evacuated from PP including friends of mine who don't yet know if their house is still standing or not. They are in their 80's so there's no way they could afford to buy outright again. I am hoping they have insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

Guess what? Sometimes that actually does make it worse. You listen to your fire department and follow their instructions.

We have family in California who have a sprinkler system on their roof in addition to sprinklers on their property. They are fed by a cistern and solar powered with battery backup. The system cost a fortune, but is popular where they live.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

Exactly. My family was never uber rich but comfortable upper middle class and wouldn’t be able to start over in the same place. Many neighbors were regular jobs like electricians and teachers who bought in the 70s, 80s, paid off home and continued on. They will never be able to rebuild and live in the same communities. It’s sad.

My friend in Palisades lost his home. It was a multimillion dollar home but that was his main asset. He doesn't have millions squirreled away to rebuild. A lot of people end up in the position that they could never afford to buy their own home even 5 years later with the way real estate prices increase. I don't know what these people will do, there are millions of them.

There are not millions of them. During this fire, there are probably dozens. They will sell the land because land in the palisades is worth a fortune

Let's see when the dust settles. This isn't just Palisades, that's the point.

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I read part of the water shortage problem was homeowners leaving sprinklers on and this depleted resources from the fire department.

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Anonymous wrote:These homes start at $2.5M and go up rapidly from there. I bet most of these folks were self-insured.

This represents a huge, extremely wealthy chunk of the Los Angeles county tax base. Lots of families with young kids. It's as if a wild fire completely destroyed CCMD and adjacent neighborhoods in upper NW DC.

This disaster will upend Los Angeles's budget - lots of costs to clean up but also lots of these people will move away. It will only be partially rebuilt, likely with multi-family housing. The entire area will be rebuilt much differently.

No. They will remain single family homes. People rebuild. There’s no way pacific palisades, Malibu or anywhere near the Ocean front will be anything less than multimillion dollar property. This will not affect anything. These people love their lifestyle and paradise there.

If anything, the mildly rich will be replaced by the very rich.

Exactly. My family was never uber rich but comfortable upper middle class and wouldn’t be able to start over in the same place. Many neighbors were regular jobs like electricians and teachers who bought in the 70s, 80s, paid off home and continued on. They will never be able to rebuild and live in the same communities. It’s sad.

My friend in Palisades lost his home. It was a multimillion dollar home but that was his main asset. He doesn't have millions squirreled away to rebuild. A lot of people end up in the position that they could never afford to buy their own home even 5 years later with the way real estate prices increase. I don't know what these people will do, there are millions of them.

Irony is that having a mortgage on one of these properties will be a blessing in disguise. They are forced to carry fire coverage. Whereas the merely rich who own their homes outright are likely self-insuring and may not have enough to rebuild on their own if the $5M house was their primary asset.

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Anonymous wrote:I read part of the water shortage problem was homeowners leaving sprinklers on and this depleted resources from the fire department.

Tragedy of the commons. This will be a good example for Econ 101 classes.

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I grew up in a canyon very close by. My childhood home, where my mother has lived for 50 years and just moved out of a few years ago (we are renting it), has been in the evacuation zone multiple times. I really wanted to sell the property in 2021 because of the fire risk but my sibling would not agree. Fire insurance alone is 10k/year. Its nuts.

The palisades fire is a monster. It is moving unbelievably fast. so many icons of growing up there--the old malibu and topanga canyon places (the reef inn, the feed store) have gone up in flames. My stepsister is in santa monica ,on the edge of the evacuation zone. My stepmother's home (she has several) is smack in the middle of the palisades too. no idea what is happening there. I just heard about a friend of a friend's daughter who lost both her childhood homes--divorced parents, each lost their home. I know that I will hear about more losses.

The high school is gone. Its been around forever, and was a major school for so many areas (including where I grew up)--poof. Where will the kids go? Such disruptions have huge ripple effects, for years, on kids.

Rebuilding will happen, but slowly, painfully, not entirely. And lots of people will move-- north, and east and elsewhere, because as much as california is a dream, it is also a nightmare. I love the state with all my heart and its heartbreaking.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Why are they allowing this to happen?

Wow. How are you that ridiculous?

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this is devastating. We lived through the Marshall fire in CO 3 years ago which was horrific and only a fraction of the scale of this. My heart aches for everyone impacted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

Guess what? Sometimes that actually does make it worse. You listen to your fire department and follow their instructions.

My friend’s father died in the Australian fire doing this. Property isn’t worth your life.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren’t fire mitigation systems installed as part of the public works systems, developments or private homes? Large water guns to create a barrier or cover a neighborhood?

jfc. Can we all agree to ignore these posts? The stupidity is overwhelming.

Yeah it’s so stupid other countries use it.

https://www.wired.com/story/spanish-wildfire-defenses/

Not sure it would be effective in the face of huge winds, and considering how many of these sprinklets LA would need since so much of the residential areas borders nature. You really cannot compare that to a tiny village's set up with 40 towers. LA would need thousands.

Damp surfaces put out the embers carried by wind, it’s not a wall of fire moving through the area. Water on roofs and yards would go a long way.

Not in high winds. There is no damp when you have Santa Ana winds. Water evaporates almost immediately. There isn't enough water for everyone in this huge area. You DO NOT GET IT.

Do I don’t and I don’t think you do either. You seem to have a defeatist position on this topic. I’m not saying it will eliminate all risk but it certainly wouldn’t make it worse. I’m literally watching people on tv using buckets and garden hoses to protect their homes, I’m suggesting it be implemented on wider scale. You still haven’t offered ANY suggestions

DP. It actually can make it worse because it diverts resources and puts people in harms way. The hypothetical miles-long hose to the ocean + pumps and manpower is a distraction and impediment to actual firefighting. Especially if not centrally organized, because you will get a bunch of rich people buying up hose and clogging the roads with private (probably untrained) crews trying to experiment in real time to save their personal house that's a mile inland and uphill.
If you want to organize an experiment like this when disaster is not actively happening, that's great and I wish you luck. Though I'm pretty sure you are not the first person to notice the ocean.

BTW, the people with buckets aren't accomplishing anything in this situation. In smaller fires, perhaps.

If you want solutions, they are mostly in prevention: buried power lines, better road planning (and reduced SFH housing overall), more fire breaks, fire resistant buildings, more controlled burns, and doing what we still can to halt or reverse climate change. Notice these are all "central planning" type actions that both sides of the political aisle oppose.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in a canyon very close by. My childhood home, where my mother has lived for 50 years and just moved out of a few years ago (we are renting it), has been in the evacuation zone multiple times. I really wanted to sell the property in 2021 because of the fire risk but my sibling would not agree. Fire insurance alone is 10k/year. Its nuts.

The palisades fire is a monster. It is moving unbelievably fast. so many icons of growing up there--the old malibu and topanga canyon places (the reef inn, the feed store) have gone up in flames. My stepsister is in santa monica ,on the edge of the evacuation zone. My stepmother's home (she has several) is smack in the middle of the palisades too. no idea what is happening there. I just heard about a friend of a friend's daughter who lost both her childhood homes--divorced parents, each lost their home. I know that I will hear about more losses.

The high school is gone. Its been around forever, and was a major school for so many areas (including where I grew up)--poof. Where will the kids go? Such disruptions have huge ripple effects, for years, on kids.

Rebuilding will happen, but slowly, painfully, not entirely. And lots of people will move-- north, and east and elsewhere, because as much as california is a dream, it is also a nightmare. I love the state with all my heart and its heartbreaking.

I know a billionaire who has a second home there who was posting on IG and was on the news to discuss. Will be interesting to see if she and all the movie stars help others less fortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:So much misinformation in this thread.

Maybe reading about this fire can help some of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Fire

And if you think no one should live where there is a natural disaster what are you going to do with all the red states full of tornadoes and hurricanes? Plus, thanks to your fracking Oklahoma now has earthquakes? No place is safe from natural disasters. It’s amazing how when tragedy strikes in a red state you people are all “we’ve got to help these people!” And when it’s a blue state, you’re just full of hate and blame and absolutely stupid, uninformed takes about why things happen or how they should be handled.

I'm in Florida and see the opposite here constantly actually, even people actively wishing ill on Florida during hurricane season. So I think you are deeply mistaken. And anyone who actually lives in a natural disaster area has empathy and good thoughts only for CA residents dealing with fires right now, because we get how terrifying it is!

I am glad you have such kindness knowing that majority of Ca could care so little about your well being. Personally I feel bad for anyone going through a natural disaster. We went through one in a different state and experienced the kindness of organizations like Samaritans purse -they will be there soon if not already.

As a Californian who just left FL (business trip), unfortunately my take is her generosity of spirit is unusual. Some Floridians are absolutely gleeful.