Rank the Big 10 academically

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

Oh come on. The OOS kids at UCLA and Michigan are all the tippy top kids from their classes, largely valedictorian or close to it, 1500+ SATs, etc. Just stop it.

No. No they are not. I have scoir data from multiple private schools due to my job. Other than Engineering, students well into the top 30-40% can get into Michigan OOS, with 1350-1400. UM-Engineering better be close to top 10% with 1470+. UCLA admits from the top 20-25% and is test blind so 1200s have gotten in unhooked. Ivies admit mostly from top 10%, occasionally 15%(if ED), the same group that NU admits from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

NP. Out of curiosity just looked up NUs most recent CDS. Out of 2,111 first time freshmen, only 1,008 were deemed eligible for financial. HALF the class can afford $90k per year?! Certified rich kids school. Jeepers.

It's been that way for years. 35+ years ago it was 60%+ that were full pay. Yes a lot of rich kids. And then you had me and a lot of my friends, those of us on work-study, working every break we got, and having to manage expenses/spending money very carefully.

Frankly, it's like that at most of the T50 schools. 50-60%+ are full pay. Why is that shocking? If you make 200K+ (and have for at least 10 years as a family) you should be able to save if you value education. Just saving $1K/month for 18 years would net you $216K without any market returns. That can easily be $300K+ if put in the SP500 index over that time, if not more.

I didn't attend private school nor will my kids. Wasn't aware how many could afford it.

[Anonymous]

Anyone trying to argue Michigan or UCLA is better than Northwestern is coping. Even people from Michigan or UCLA don't think that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

NP. Out of curiosity just looked up NUs most recent CDS. Out of 2,111 first time freshmen, only 1,008 were deemed eligible for financial. HALF the class can afford $90k per year?! Certified rich kids school. Jeepers.

It's been that way for years. 35+ years ago it was 60%+ that were full pay. Yes a lot of rich kids. And then you had me and a lot of my friends, those of us on work-study, working every break we got, and having to manage expenses/spending money very carefully.

Frankly, it's like that at most of the T50 schools. 50-60%+ are full pay. Why is that shocking? If you make 200K+ (and have for at least 10 years as a family) you should be able to save if you value education. Just saving $1K/month for 18 years would net you $216K without any market returns. That can easily be $300K+ if put in the SP500 index over that time, if not more.

Which would not cover the whole cost of four years, which tells you how ridiculous the cost of school has become.

[Anonymous]

Northwestern is obviously the best school by a large margin. But this is such an odd group of schools to be in any kind of league. There is very little commonality. But if you were going to list them academically, it'd be:

Northwestern
UCLA
Michigan
USC
Purdue
Washington
Maryland
UIUC
Wisconsin
Indiana
Penn State
Minnesota
Ohio State
Rutgers
Iowa
Oregon
Michigan State
Nebraska

[Anonymous]

Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is obviously the best school by a large margin. But this is such an odd group of schools to be in any kind of league. There is very little commonality. But if you were going to list them academically, it'd be:

Northwestern
UCLA
Michigan
USC
Purdue
Washington
Maryland
UIUC
Wisconsin
Indiana
Penn State
Minnesota
Ohio State
Rutgers
Iowa
Oregon
Michigan State
Nebraska

Purdue above Washington...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Northwestern is obviously the best school by a large margin. But this is such an odd group of schools to be in any kind of league. There is very little commonality. But if you were going to list them academically, it'd be:

Northwestern
UCLA
Michigan
USC
Purdue
Washington
Maryland
UIUC
Wisconsin
Indiana
Penn State
Minnesota
Ohio State
Rutgers
Iowa
Oregon
Michigan State
Nebraska

I would go to any of those schools and like it. Cool conference

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

NP. Not even 1982... that poster's thinking might have made sense in the 1940s, lol.

[Anonymous]

Do people even think of the Big Ten as an academic grouping in this way? The only schools I would seriously consider for academics are Northwestern, UCLA, Michigan and maybe USC...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

NP. Not even 1982... that poster's thinking might have made sense in the 1940s, lol.

Lol at sending your kid to dreary flyover country (b-b-but it’s Evanston, not Chicago!) after they failed to get an Ivy bid or into Duke, still paying almost $400K for the trouble, and then realizing that your consolation prize is “dunking” on the unwashed whose kids are enjoying a quality of life in college that is 10 - 20x that of your kid’s experience.

If it ain’t a marketing MBA at Kellogg, NU can piss off in my book … true 30 years ago, true today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

NP. Not even 1982... that poster's thinking might have made sense in the 1940s, lol.

Lol at sending your kid to dreary flyover country (b-b-but it’s Evanston, not Chicago!) after they failed to get an Ivy bid or into Duke, still paying almost $400K for the trouble, and then realizing that your consolation prize is “dunking” on the unwashed whose kids are enjoying a quality of life in college that is 10 - 20x that of your kid’s experience.

If it ain’t a marketing MBA at Kellogg, NU can piss off in my book … true 30 years ago, true today.

I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the students at NU in 2024 turned down Ivies to come to Northwestern. Times have changed.

[Anonymous]

The name of the game is research for the Big Ten

Washington, Michigan, UMD, Wisconsin and UCLA are research giants with massive budgets

All of the schools are large research institutions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

NP. Not even 1982... that poster's thinking might have made sense in the 1940s, lol.

Lol at sending your kid to dreary flyover country (b-b-but it’s Evanston, not Chicago!) after they failed to get an Ivy bid or into Duke, still paying almost $400K for the trouble, and then realizing that your consolation prize is “dunking” on the unwashed whose kids are enjoying a quality of life in college that is 10 - 20x that of your kid’s experience.

If it ain’t a marketing MBA at Kellogg, NU can piss off in my book … true 30 years ago, true today.

I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the students at NU in 2024 turned down Ivies to come to Northwestern. Times have changed.

Check the cross admit data - even the lowliest Ivy has got NU’s number.