so sick and tired of gymnastics Olympics coverage

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

I'm a committed gymnastics fan, but I get what the first poster is saying. Simone is simply the greatest gymnast of all time. Her technique is incredible and allows her to do things that no one else can do. She deserves all of the attention and accolades that come her way.

On the other hand, her artistry isn't top-notch. And that's fine because, in an open-ended code, the difficulty of her gymnastics makes up for it. Those ethereal athletes of yesterday did simple tumbling passes beautiful. What's amazing about gymnastics today is that is room for different types of athletes and styles. Some have more artistry, and some have more high-flying skills. You don't have to have a starving ballerina body to be the best gymnast in the world. If you don't have the massive tumbling, you can use artistry and dance elements to increase your scores.

If you watch NCAA gymnastics, you will see an emphasis on doing less difficult routines as well as possible. That is fun to watch, but on the other hand, there are no routines that take your breath away like watching Simone launch herself to the rafters and come back down does.

Personally, I’d rather watch some of the NCAA routines. Katelyn Ohashi was a joy to watch. Beautiful execution and looked like she was having so much fun. I wish she had made it into the Olympics.

This is actually a great point. Many on this thread should check out college gymnastics, where the old 10pt scale keeps the difficulty low enough that execution is prized!

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

Gymnastics doesn’t have an artistic component, just difficulty * execution. If you want to talk “artistry” watch rhythmic gymnastics or figure skating or synchronized swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

Gymnastics doesn’t have an artistic component, just difficulty * execution. If you want to talk “artistry” watch rhythmic gymnastics or figure skating or synchronized swimming.

That's incorrect. The E score has artistry and execution components.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

I'm a committed gymnastics fan, but I get what the first poster is saying. Simone is simply the greatest gymnast of all time. Her technique is incredible and allows her to do things that no one else can do. She deserves all of the attention and accolades that come her way.

On the other hand, her artistry isn't top-notch. And that's fine because, in an open-ended code, the difficulty of her gymnastics makes up for it. Those ethereal athletes of yesterday did simple tumbling passes beautiful. What's amazing about gymnastics today is that is room for different types of athletes and styles. Some have more artistry, and some have more high-flying skills. You don't have to have a starving ballerina body to be the best gymnast in the world. If you don't have the massive tumbling, you can use artistry and dance elements to increase your scores.

If you watch NCAA gymnastics, you will see an emphasis on doing less difficult routines as well as possible. That is fun to watch, but on the other hand, there are no routines that take your breath away like watching Simone launch herself to the rafters and come back down does.

Personally, I’d rather watch some of the NCAA routines. Katelyn Ohashi was a joy to watch. Beautiful execution and looked like she was having so much fun. I wish she had made it into the Olympics.

This is actually a great point. Many on this thread should check out college gymnastics, where the old 10pt scale keeps the difficulty low enough that execution is prized!

I think if Ohashi had made it into the Olympics, she also wouldn't have been so much fun to watch. She would have been pressured to up her difficulty, at the expense of her style. She basically had "maxed out" on difficulty in NCAA which gave her a lot of flexibility for things like style, while also perfecting her execution. If I recall, she actually intentionally made that choice to go into NCAA vs. the Olympics route, for this reason.

Simone Biles is not like, incapable of executing something perfectly, or of performing with style. She has made an informed decision to maximize difficulty while accepting deductions on execution, even taking penalties sometimes when needed. She's optimizing her routines to maximize scoring. She's playing to win, not to be fun to watch.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

I mean, you can say the sky is green if you want, but we're still going to tell you you're wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

Her height and acrobatic skill is mind blowing. But it's more than landings. I see it on the beam and the bars. She is incredible with the acrobatics but looks less fluid. She sacrifices fluidity for the difficulty. Some people like that and some of us find some of the hitches distracting. I can't help it, I notice.

But I still think she's awesome and I admire her courage.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

I mean, you can say the sky is green if you want, but we're still going to tell you you're wrong.

Ok so what are the rules for us? You know what is right and wrong, so subjectiveness, you are here to tell us what is true and a lie. So what is truth. What should we not say, because they are lies. Funny you uses "we"--the whole world agrees with you? Or is it that you and God agree?

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

I mean, you can say the sky is green if you want, but we're still going to tell you you're wrong.

DP. Since these are opinions, they can't be wrong. You are pushy and annoying.

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I think the real irony of this thread and the way that it has evolved is that the original critique - gymnastics is subjective - is actually what led to the current scoring system we have today, which is far more objective and precise. And as a result of that, gymnasts have stopped optimizing on subjective matters like "grace" or "style", and optimize on objective ones like difficulty. So, in the end, you get a sport that is actually highly objective, but not necessarily as fun to watch.

I don't know if we have two different groups of people or one group who is criticizing gymnastics as "too subjective" but also that Biles is "not pleasing to watch", but you can't have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

I mean, you can say the sky is green if you want, but we're still going to tell you you're wrong.

Ok so what are the rules for us? You know what is right and wrong, so subjectiveness, you are here to tell us what is true and a lie. So what is truth. What should we not say, because they are lies. Funny you uses "we"--the whole world agrees with you? Or is it that you and God agree?

The "you are wrong" troll is clearly unhappy and looking to spread her discontent. Ignore her.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

I mean, you can say the sky is green if you want, but we're still going to tell you you're wrong.

Ok so what are the rules for us? You know what is right and wrong, so subjectiveness, you are here to tell us what is true and a lie. So what is truth. What should we not say, because they are lies. Funny you uses "we"--the whole world agrees with you? Or is it that you and God agree?

You are unhinged.

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If you're sick of it, stop watching.

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Anonymous wrote:100% agree OP. Also, why does Simone Biles always get the vast majority of coverage? There are hundreds of other athletes with interesting and inspiring stories.

Because, simply. she is the GOAT. No ifs, why, but about it.

She’s really good, but she lacks the ethereal grace and softness of classical gymnasts.

You mean the waif-like under 16 year old from the Karoly era?

You are putting words in the poster's mouth.

The gymnastics of today is artless and imprecise.

You can:
-call me a terrible person
-say well since I am an athlete what do I know
-call me stupid

And I still stand by what I said.

I take the power and athleticism of today’s gymnasts over the anorexic era.

Why does it have to be power and athleticism with more grace and fluidity. No one is missing anorexia. Stop projecting your BS onto other posters.

There is no doubt that in one sense, Simone is the most athletic and acrobatic of the group. She does the most difficult moves on many of the apparatuses. However, she also is imprecise and artless. It is all power and no finesse.

It's actually for that reason I would love to see Suni Lee win the gold in the individual all around. At these games she seems more fluid and graceful than Simone.

Sorry, meant to say why does it have to be power and athleticism without also having grace and fluidity. Biles does amazing tumbles, but she is herky jerky and misses a lot of her landings. One part of gymnastics is also control. Anyway, not saying she is not great, but for some of us she is not as enjoyable to watch.

Every time I see comments like this I know they’re from someone completely ignorant of the sport. Nobody talks like this about snowboard tricks. You want them to be athletes but on your terms, not the terms of the actual sport. There is so much more to a vault than the stuck landing, but average viewers know so little about preflight, post flight, the block, form in the air, etc that they can’t even assess those things and just focus on a .1-.3 landing step. You sound ridiculous to anyone who knows even a little bit about the sport. Like saying Tom Brady (or trout if you want to do baseball) lacks the flair of Mahomes (or Harper) and isn’t fun to watch.

This. Not understanding that when a gymnast for instance adds a half twist to a vault that results in a blind landing everything about the vault becomes more difficult including the landing. The may need more speed and a better block off the vault in order to get enough height and velocity to complete their rotation. They will not be able to spot the floor before landing so must be able to go by feel and aerial awareness in knowing where the floor is and getting their body in position for impact. They must be tighter in the air in order to complete the extra half twist but also know when to adjust their tightness to safely land and cushion their landing using their knees and hips while also maintaining balance. And also landing coming out of a twist results in horizontal torque as you land which is more destabilizing than the rotation created by a flip which can pull you off balance if you over or under rotate but otherwise directs your energy into the ground and is therefore more conducive to a "stuck" landing. I guess if you don't understand all of that then you might watch someone do an insanely difficult and rarely done vault or tumbling pass and yawn at the speed and height and rotation of the skill but then throw a tiny fit in your living room because the gymnast took a small step or hop upon landing.

Apply to be a gymnastics judge at even the lowest level competition with that approach and let us all know how it goes. Even baby gymnasts understand how silly this is.

Both of you are being unnecessarily harsh and aggressive in your responses. Many of us understand perfectly what you are talking about and guess what...we still think Biles is lacking in artistry. You are the ones who aren't getting what people are saying. No one is questioning Biles athleticism and that she has changed the sport. But some of us can simultaneously gasp at some of her skills and still bemoan the fact that her artistry is less than. She emphasizes the power part and doesn't have the same grace as some others.

Just because you find her stuff the most fun to watch doesn't mean others can't disagree. Jeez. its the Biles-hive.

I was responding in large part to the “herky jerky missing landings” piece of the critique. There’s a weird focus on it in many of the comments I see about biles (especially when performing the biles ii vault). It’s like the landing is the only deduction people are aware of, and then they have the gall to put down these amazing athletes.

And she stuck a heck of a lot of landings today! That first floor pass is just mind blowing every time.

So tell us what are your rules for us. What are we allowed to say. What are we not allowed to say.

I mean, you can say the sky is green if you want, but we're still going to tell you you're wrong.

Ok so what are the rules for us? You know what is right and wrong, so subjectiveness, you are here to tell us what is true and a lie. So what is truth. What should we not say, because they are lies. Funny you uses "we"--the whole world agrees with you? Or is it that you and God agree?

You are unhinged.

Look at the all powerful one, casting jugement again. "I declare, person I have never seen, you are crazy, based on my divine terms!"