What happened to the Moderate Dem or Rep??

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Anonymous wrote:Both sides, you guys.

I know all you moderates are truly convinced you’re the smartest, most rational people ever, but you’re slowly boiling to death in a fire started by the GOP and you’re mad at the people noticing it’s getting hot. You’re not rational, you’re not moderate.

I could go on, but you “common sense” people are over sensitive and under thinking.

Haha. I also think people who throw the terms “left wing” and “progressive” as insults truly no idea what those terms originally means.

Left wing stems from the fact that those who use to represent interests of the labor class sat on ten left hand spire of the room. Progressive just means a desire for progressive in positive change.

I am proudly a progressive left winger and hope the D party doesn’t die a slow death of “being moderate” (ie fraction of the party that thinks we are all good and no change needed).

Democrats have abandoned labor and support the desires of the laptop class.

You will have literally nothing to back this up with. Meanwhile the GOP actually hates labor and the working class, really anything that gives regular people any rights at all, they’re opposed to it.

You can’t be pro-labor and support open borders. Open borders are a disaster for the working classes.

Nobody supports open borders. This is just GOP fiction.

Crime statistics beg to differ with your partisan misinformation, PP.

You mean the crime that is down significantly since Trump left office?

Hahaha 😆 that's funny.

Might be funny, but it is true.

But the definition of crimes have changed as we are no longer punishing or reporting people the same way for certain crimes. It hasn’t been apples to apples over the years especially recently.

Exactly, if you think crime has decreased please go ask the working class (many hispanics) whose tires were recently slashed in Falls Church. That's a crime.

Go ask the many who have been carjacked in broad daylight. That's a crime.

Go ask the families of children gunned down in broad daylight if crime is down.

The fact that crime exists doesn't mean there is more or less of it.

[Anonymous]

Where have the moderate Democrats gone? Here’s my answer. I’m 50. Sitting in the middle of Gen X. And for most of my life, I was socially pretty liberal, and fiscally pretty conservative. Live and let live. Don’t discriminate. Do unto others. Let women make reproductive choices, but somewhere in the second trimester, you need a good reason to abort, like health or mother, fetal anonomly, etc. How does two gay men getting married hurt me? Isn’t letting people make commitments to each other good, especially if they chose to have kids? But: I feel like I pay a lot of taxes for what I make, and as a citizen, that’s my responsibility. But, if I’m shelling out that kind of money, I want a good cost benefit analysis for every federal program— defense and nondefense. No pork. No $1000 hammers, not big toys the military doesn’t need, no social programs that aren’t narrowly tailored to help people in real need while weeding out fraud.

I considered my self a moderate Democrat. I’d bet 80%+ of my policy position were in line with the majority of America.


Then three things happened.

One, I travelled and listened and talked and learned learned what other countries do.

And discovered that we really do need Medicare for all and to take profit out of healthcare. We will get better outcomes for less money. Which, BTW, I believe is fiscally conservative. If a lot of my money now comes out of my paycheck for health insurance, just so I can have a deductible and high copay, why no pay the same amount of money in taxes? Every developed nation does it. All pay significant less per capita for medical care. Many have better outcomes.

Why do we not support families better? As a practical matter, we need people to have kids on the economy collapses. As a moral matter, don’t we owe kids and people who chose to have kids the supports to make them healthy product adults. Parental leave, investing in education, decent leave, a living wage. Long term, it pays off.

Two, I had kids. And I realize I had it harder than my parents. It took two incomes to achieve the standard of living they had with one. And it was hard. Very hard, to raise kids while working FT starting 6 weeks after a C-section. And, I realize I am handing my kids an even worse situation than I had. Climate disaster. Unaffordable college (I went to Wake Forest. Tutoring 12k in 1994. Tuition over 60k today. And don’t tell me incomes have increased 500% like tuition. So go instate. Fine. My bill to send a kid to WM is over 40k). Unaffordable healthcare. Unaffordable housing. Crappy childcare at expensive prices, if they can find it. Incredible federal deficits. How do we ever expect them to be able to have their own kids?

And three— the hypocrisy is gross. No abortion, but if you can’t afford the kid, it’s your fault for having it. Worshiping capitalism without guardrails and worker protections. We have unlimited money to give billionaires tax breaks, but red states won’t fund programs to give parents living at the poverty $20-30 a month to feed their kids during the summer. The same kids you are so much about when mom thought about abortion at 8 weeks because she knew she could afford to feed them. Its gross.

And that’s how a moderate Democrat moves towards being progressive. Since you asked.

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“It’s murder, but I’m okay with that” is a refreshingly honest thing to say.

I really just don't have the perspective that a swimming group of cells is a baby. Shoot me, but I just don't get the argument and have yet to have heard a non-religious one at that.

Babies are 5 1/2 inches long and 6 pounds at 18 weeks, and can be aborted according to the law in Roe. Hardly a “swimming group of cells.” Maher’s argument is a lot more honest than your gaslighting. The party that wants everyone to “trust the science” can’t also be the party to ignore the ultrasounds, MRIs, and other advanced imaging techniques.

You are an idiot. They are 7 ounces, not pounds at 18 weeks.

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PP here...also, ask the many store owners who are unable to do anything when criminals walk out with goods....or is theft/shoplifting not a crime anymore?

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate Rep who truly despises extreme left ideologies just as much as extreme right ideologies I am the one who feels hopeless with the ever-dividing extremism our society has evolved to, and you can blame the Democrats just as much as the Republicans. Both are equally to blame.

Yes, the Dems were equally to blame for alt-right nationalist members of a identity cult and their cult leader attacking the capitol and trying to take over the government.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a registered independent who truly struggled to decide who to vote for in many past elections including Obama/mcCain (though Sarah palin made up my mind for me).

The fact that Donald Trump was the republican nominee after being caught on camera bragging about sexually assaulting women in his previous election and is once again the nominee after the events of January 6th has completely destroyed my faith in every current republican politician. They have well and truly sold their souls. If they clean house in a few years I’ll consider voting for a republican again then.

Bill Clinton said and did equally disgusting sexually exploitative behaviors and I am old enough to recall Democrats in the House and Senate saying, “This isn’t relevant to Clinton’s presidential job performance.”

My, my, what a difference a couple of decades makes. Or a change of party registration in the sexually harassing party.

And he was impeached for it and basically tarnished his legacy. We also didn't have Clinton on tape boasting of sexual assault and predatory behavior before he was elected.

And yet anything posted about Biden's behavior that is worse than both is deleted from this forum.
Hypocrisy reins.

Ohh you got me. What has Biden done that is worse? Whack job

[Anonymous]

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“It’s murder, but I’m okay with that” is a refreshingly honest thing to say.

I really just don't have the perspective that a swimming group of cells is a baby. Shoot me, but I just don't get the argument and have yet to have heard a non-religious one at that.

Babies are 5 1/2 inches long and 6 pounds at 18 weeks, and can be aborted according to the law in Roe. Hardly a “swimming group of cells.” Maher’s argument is a lot more honest than your gaslighting. The party that wants everyone to “trust the science” can’t also be the party to ignore the ultrasounds, MRIs, and other advanced imaging techniques.

A full term baby at 36 weeks is around six pounds. Not at 18 weeks.

You are why no one wants republicans deciding their healthcare choices.

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Anonymous wrote:As a moderate Rep who truly despises extreme left ideologies just as much as extreme right ideologies I am the one who feels hopeless with the ever-dividing extremism our society has evolved to, and you can blame the Democrats just as much as the Republicans. Both are equally to blame.

I think there's a huge difference between the extreme left and the extreme right. Consider for example the black bloc protesters in Portland and at the 7% of BLM protests where there was violence... Do you think they are "Democrats?" They are not. They are anarchocommunists. They hate Democrats as much as they hate Republicans. They protested against Obama, they protested against Biden and other Democrats and have disrupted many Democrat events over the years. Or, the pro-Palestine protesters - they are protesting against Biden. They don't support Biden, they don't support Democrats.

Whereas, on the other side the far right extremists like the Charlottesvile neo-Nazis, the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and others who have engaged in violence and protests are openly and proudly pro-Trump.

They are not the same. There is no "bothsides" on this one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“It’s murder, but I’m okay with that” is a refreshingly honest thing to say.

I really just don't have the perspective that a swimming group of cells is a baby. Shoot me, but I just don't get the argument and have yet to have heard a non-religious one at that.

Babies are 5 1/2 inches long and 6 pounds at 18 weeks, and can be aborted according to the law in Roe. Hardly a “swimming group of cells.” Maher’s argument is a lot more honest than your gaslighting. The party that wants everyone to “trust the science” can’t also be the party to ignore the ultrasounds, MRIs, and other advanced imaging techniques.

6 pounds at 18 weeks? Babies are 6 pounds at birth

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I think the left loses Catholics when it talks about abortion instead of being pro worker pro family. The working classCatholic Dems used to be the life blood of the party

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Anonymous wrote:I think the left loses Catholics when it talks about abortion instead of being pro worker pro family. The working classCatholic Dems used to be the life blood of the party

Catholics get abortions at the same rate as other groups.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“It’s murder, but I’m okay with that” is a refreshingly honest thing to say.

I really just don't have the perspective that a swimming group of cells is a baby. Shoot me, but I just don't get the argument and have yet to have heard a non-religious one at that.

Babies are 5 1/2 inches long and 6 pounds at 18 weeks, and can be aborted according to the law in Roe. Hardly a “swimming group of cells.” Maher’s argument is a lot more honest than your gaslighting. The party that wants everyone to “trust the science” can’t also be the party to ignore the ultrasounds, MRIs, and other advanced imaging techniques.

6 pounds at 18 weeks? Babies are 6 pounds at birth

Right? Let’s definitely put these guys in charge of women’s health they’re clearly extremely well informed.

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Anonymous wrote:Where have the moderate Democrats gone? Here’s my answer. I’m 50. Sitting in the middle of Gen X. And for most of my life, I was socially pretty liberal, and fiscally pretty conservative. Live and let live. Don’t discriminate. Do unto others. Let women make reproductive choices, but somewhere in the second trimester, you need a good reason to abort, like health or mother, fetal anonomly, etc. How does two gay men getting married hurt me? Isn’t letting people make commitments to each other good, especially if they chose to have kids? But: I feel like I pay a lot of taxes for what I make, and as a citizen, that’s my responsibility. But, if I’m shelling out that kind of money, I want a good cost benefit analysis for every federal program— defense and nondefense. No pork. No $1000 hammers, not big toys the military doesn’t need, no social programs that aren’t narrowly tailored to help people in real need while weeding out fraud.

I considered my self a moderate Democrat. I’d bet 80%+ of my policy position were in line with the majority of America.


Then three things happened.

One, I travelled and listened and talked and learned learned what other countries do.

And discovered that we really do need Medicare for all and to take profit out of healthcare. We will get better outcomes for less money. Which, BTW, I believe is fiscally conservative. If a lot of my money now comes out of my paycheck for health insurance, just so I can have a deductible and high copay, why no pay the same amount of money in taxes? Every developed nation does it. All pay significant less per capita for medical care. Many have better outcomes.

Why do we not support families better? As a practical matter, we need people to have kids on the economy collapses. As a moral matter, don’t we owe kids and people who chose to have kids the supports to make them healthy product adults. Parental leave, investing in education, decent leave, a living wage. Long term, it pays off.

Two, I had kids. And I realize I had it harder than my parents. It took two incomes to achieve the standard of living they had with one. And it was hard. Very hard, to raise kids while working FT starting 6 weeks after a C-section. And, I realize I am handing my kids an even worse situation than I had. Climate disaster. Unaffordable college (I went to Wake Forest. Tutoring 12k in 1994. Tuition over 60k today. And don’t tell me incomes have increased 500% like tuition. So go instate. Fine. My bill to send a kid to WM is over 40k). Unaffordable healthcare. Unaffordable housing. Crappy childcare at expensive prices, if they can find it. Incredible federal deficits. How do we ever expect them to be able to have their own kids?

And three— the hypocrisy is gross. No abortion, but if you can’t afford the kid, it’s your fault for having it. Worshiping capitalism without guardrails and worker protections. We have unlimited money to give billionaires tax breaks, but red states won’t fund programs to give parents living at the poverty $20-30 a month to feed their kids during the summer. The same kids you are so much about when mom thought about abortion at 8 weeks because she knew she could afford to feed them. Its gross.

And that’s how a moderate Democrat moves towards being progressive. Since you asked.

You are absolutely right and i am there with you . It is why Bernie Sanders was able to connect with so many and is the only Democrat who could’ve beat Trump. The DNC knew and still chose Hillary and Biden.

Economics is what the Democrats avoid talking about. They just scream about Roe v Wade which isn’t the main focus most Americans have. Most Americans already are past child rearing age and the younger set can’t afford kids so purposely aren’t having them which puts our future and Social Security in peril . The Democrats bringing in illegals won’t help . We need to help workers and families with single payer , affordable child care, health care, parental leave, and affordable college , but the Dems hate talking about these things because they are DINO’s -Dems in name only . Ted Kennedy would’ve been disgusted had he lived with Obama rejecting the public option and passing a Republican Romneycare as Obamacare compromising and preventing ever getting single payer when Dems had the chance . They sold us out . Now healthcare costs are still on the rise and Medicaid and Medicare a mess with the states and the Feds taking half our taxes but not providing proper coverage or care for anyone

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Anonymous wrote:I think the left loses Catholics when it talks about abortion instead of being pro worker pro family. The working classCatholic Dems used to be the life blood of the party

Catholics get abortions at the same rate as other groups.

That wasn’t my statement

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Anonymous wrote:I think the left loses Catholics when it talks about abortion instead of being pro worker pro family. The working classCatholic Dems used to be the life blood of the party

Catholics get abortions at the same rate as other groups.

Catholic vote is key . Too much talk about abortion this year will hurt Democrats chances. Come up with something else on the to do list /drawing board

In 2016, Donald Trump won 50 percent of Catholics compared to Hillary Clinton’s 46 percent. In 2020, Biden bested Trump among all Catholics, 52 percent to 47 percent.