UVA and in-state stats and laws on required numbers

[Anonymous]

So you all want UVA to cram a bunch more NoVa kids in and also stay in their lane and stop trying to keep up with larger public research universities? What exactly would be the appeal of such a place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reach out to your STATE legislators, not national. Tell them to increase the budget for higher ed so UVa isn't forced to balance its budget with much higher paying OOS students. You elect those people, so do something about it.

Succeed in doing this and watch UVAs ranking plummet. You will just have NOVA HS 2.0 looking for continued grade inflation.

[Anonymous]

If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

A lot of UVA's more notable alumni appear to be OOS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

Would you propose this for all public institutions? I believe states feel that its their obligation to educate their residents so they have a workforce after graduation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

Would you propose this for all public institutions? I believe states feel that its their obligation to educate their residents so they have a workforce after graduation.

I think 50/50 maybe. It is welfare for the rich having instate tuition so low

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

Would you propose this for all public institutions? I believe states feel that its their obligation to educate their residents so they have a workforce after graduation.

I think 50/50 maybe. It is welfare for the rich having instate tuition so low

UVA and WM are two of the most expensive IN STATE options in the country.
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-list-college/articles/colleges-with-the-highest-in-state-tuition

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I live in VA and am so aggravated by the # of kids I see applying and not getting into UVA who are seriously bright, solid A students. It's ridiculous.
It makes me think my high schooler won't get in when he applies in a couple of years. High A student, athlete, has great SAT scores, but white male and from a middle class background/private school.

I LOVE how UNC Chapel Hill is required by STATE LAW to keep in-state at high numbers:
"As of June 14, 2024, 82% of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC) are in-state residents. State law requires that at least 82% of each freshman class be from North Carolina, and the state government limits the number of non-residents to 18%."

As opposed to Virginia "In fall 2023, 65.5% of first-time freshmen at the University of Virginia (UVA) were in-state students. UVA aims to have a majority of Virginians in its student body, but doesn't have quotas for specific regions or high schools. UVA's offer rate for Virginia residents is usually higher than the rate for out-of-state students."

Why doesn't VA have this law!

At least you have more than one good school. Also, maybe they are admitting the athletes more than anyone. Did you see how many swimmers are from VA in the olympic trials?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meh, UVA isn’t too bad compared to most state flagships.

Based on the below analysis in the Chronicle of Higher Education, UVA had a higher in-state percentage than 31 other states’ flagships and a lower decline in in-state student share over 20 years than all but 8 other states’ flagships.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/flagships-are-enrolling-more-and-more-freshmen-from-out-of-state

Doesn’t mean UVA couldn’t do more. But it could also be a lot worse.

Think of a state like Vermont, they heavily enroll OOS but it's not to the detriment of the qualified in-state kids. That is not the case in Virginia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meh, UVA isn’t too bad compared to most state flagships.

Based on the below analysis in the Chronicle of Higher Education, UVA had a higher in-state percentage than 31 other states’ flagships and a lower decline in in-state student share over 20 years than all but 8 other states’ flagships.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/flagships-are-enrolling-more-and-more-freshmen-from-out-of-state

Doesn’t mean UVA couldn’t do more. But it could also be a lot worse.

Think of a state like Vermont, they heavily enroll OOS but it's not to the detriment of the qualified in-state kids. That is not the case in Virginia.

DP. Virginia’s population is about 13 times that of Vermont.

[Anonymous]

Actually OP, I think your child has a better chance coming from a private where fewer students are applying than a competitive public. Your child will be directly competing with others from their school. In our experience, lots of private kids are applying to private colleges and don’t want a bigger public college. Since money is less of a factor, many will ED private colleges and have to rescind their UVA application before UVA EA decisions are final.

Try to be within the top 10% of the grade, take APs/Honors, take the core classes all 4 years, have some solid ECs, and try to submit an SAT/ACT in their top 25% percentile. Communicate to your high school college counselor that UVA is a top choice.

[Anonymous]

Parent of McLean/Langley 2024 grad here, who had many friends who went private (Big 3, Landon, Gonzaga, Potomac).

The private school parents all complain that UVA takes far fewer of their DCs than their GPAs and test scores would justify, and that if their DCs had stayed in FCPS their DCs would have gotten into UVA.

OTOH, I felt that my FCPS kid could have had better results at the privates had DC gone private. We'll never know because DC is going to UVA.

Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, LOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Parent of McLean/Langley 2024 grad here, who had many friends who went private (Big 3, Landon, Gonzaga, Potomac).

The private school parents all complain that UVA takes far fewer of their DCs than their GPAs and test scores would justify, and that if their DCs had stayed in FCPS their DCs would have gotten into UVA.

OTOH, I felt that my FCPS kid could have had better results at the privates had DC gone private. We'll never know because DC is going to UVA.

Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, LOL.

Kinda feel this as the parent of a public school kid going to UVA in state, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.