Pro Israel demonstration in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Does the Open Society foundation fund these rallies too?

I really hope you do not have a job requiring critical thinking skills with responsibilities for the well-being of your fellow citizens.

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jsteele wrote:Here is one way to boost attendance:

https://crownheights.info/jewish-news/840736/israel-on-campus-coalition-offers-250-grant-for-college-students-to-attend-washington-dc-israel-rally/

Israel on Campus Coalition (ICC) is offering $250 for college students to attend the Pro-Israel rally on 11/14 in Washington, DC. The rally is expected to be one of the largest pro-Israel rallies in history. The rally is sponsored by the Jewish Federations of North America and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

To get reimbursed for travel expenses, students just need to fill out the brief form below. Again, ICC is offering $250 per student to attend the rally in Washington, DC.

Come on Jeff, how biased can you be. Of course travel to the “free Palestine” protest was subsidized too: https://indyliberationcenter.org/answerindiana/indy-to-dc-national-march-free-palestine/

Curious where you are getting your anti-Israel memes to disseminate on your website …

These are not the same things. Your link offers a discounted ticket. No stipend money or anything. The link I posted offers $250 plus reimbursement for travel. What I posted is not a "meme". It is an article from crownheights.info website.

Why can't you engage in honest discussion? You can offer any number of justifications for the $250 payments that would be reasonable. But, instead you make the ridiculous suggestion that a $250 payment plus reimbursed travel expenses is the same as a discounted bus ticket. You aren't even making an effort to be serious.

And pray tell how did you come to be perusing the Crown Heights jewish website? Because you’re looking for fake news to amplify on your website. There are multiple places online you can find that talk about subsidizing attendance at the pro-Palestine protest yet you choose to ignore that and pretend the Jewish supporters are doing something dishonest by doing the exact same thing.

I posted accurate and legitimate information. None of it was "fake news". I can understand that you are embarrassed that students are being offered $250 and reimbursement for travel expenses to attend the rally. If I were you, I would be embarrassed as well. I in no way said that anyone was doing anything dishonest. I would love to see you post even a single time in good faith. But, you simply don't appear capable of such a thing.

Jeff thanks for posting. It’s naive not to see the money at play here. One side is more funded than the other hence billionaires threatening to pull money from campuses they perceive as critical of Israel in any manner.

This will probably get censored but what’s very funny about the ignorance of these posts is the bizarre suggestion that the ultra-orthodox etc in Crown Heights (and I know them well) need to be PAID to care about Israel? Um, no. Com one on, you know that. Many are not well off (that’s right, not all Jews are!) but they already care…believe me.

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The idea that one needs to be paid to care about the Israeli hostages really upset me. Could not stop thinking about it. I am not Jewish, I did not plan to attend because the time of the rally did not work well. I will now. I took time the day off, unpaid, if it matters.

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jsteele wrote:Here is one way to boost attendance:

https://crownheights.info/jewish-news/840736/israel-on-campus-coalition-offers-250-grant-for-college-students-to-attend-washington-dc-israel-rally/

Israel on Campus Coalition (ICC) is offering $250 for college students to attend the Pro-Israel rally on 11/14 in Washington, DC. The rally is expected to be one of the largest pro-Israel rallies in history. The rally is sponsored by the Jewish Federations of North America and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

To get reimbursed for travel expenses, students just need to fill out the brief form below. Again, ICC is offering $250 per student to attend the rally in Washington, DC.

Come on Jeff, how biased can you be. Of course travel to the “free Palestine” protest was subsidized too: https://indyliberationcenter.org/answerindiana/indy-to-dc-national-march-free-palestine/

Curious where you are getting your anti-Israel memes to disseminate on your website …

These are not the same things. Your link offers a discounted ticket. No stipend money or anything. The link I posted offers $250 plus reimbursement for travel. What I posted is not a "meme". It is an article from crownheights.info website.

Why can't you engage in honest discussion? You can offer any number of justifications for the $250 payments that would be reasonable. But, instead you make the ridiculous suggestion that a $250 payment plus reimbursed travel expenses is the same as a discounted bus ticket. You aren't even making an effort to be serious.

And pray tell how did you come to be perusing the Crown Heights jewish website? Because you’re looking for fake news to amplify on your website. There are multiple places online you can find that talk about subsidizing attendance at the pro-Palestine protest yet you choose to ignore that and pretend the Jewish supporters are doing something dishonest by doing the exact same thing.

I posted accurate and legitimate information. None of it was "fake news". I can understand that you are embarrassed that students are being offered $250 and reimbursement for travel expenses to attend the rally. If I were you, I would be embarrassed as well. I in no way said that anyone was doing anything dishonest. I would love to see you post even a single time in good faith. But, you simply don't appear capable of such a thing.

I’m not embarrassed at all because the most cursory google search shows that similar travel subsidies were offered for the “free Palestine” protest. I AM wondering what source led you to dig up what you thought was some kind of embarassing dig off an obscure Jewish website, then amplify it on your own much more high profile site.

You are clearly upset that I posted this information which reported that much more than travel subsidies were being offered. Maybe you are not embarrassed, but you are clearly bothered. You even claimed that it was fake news.

A poster earlier in this thread, and in another thread as well, expressed concern that a midweek demonstration would not attract participation. I came across this offer of $250 plus travel expenses in my X feed and it made me think of that poster. I would think that you would be glad that I amplified it as it might help with recruitment.

No Jeff, the offer was $250 to pay for travel expenses. You are making up that they are getting paid to attend. $250 is probably a similar value to all the buses that were paid for by Palestine supporters. This is “fake news” because a) you are spreading a lie (that they are paying $250 in addition to travel reimbursement) and b) you are suggesting that paying for travel is some kind of shameful thing and Jews are manipulating the crowd - a well-known antisemitic trope as well (“Soros-funded protestors!!!”). When in fact the Palestinian crowd did exactly the same thing.

You are making this out to be much bigger deal than it really needs to be. Especially if you don't think anything is wrong with it. If you thought this was perfectly normal, you would have just said that like the poster above. But you are all bent out of shape about it. Here is the article again:

https://crownheights.info/jewish-news/840736/israel-on-campus-coalition-offers-250-grant-for-college-students-to-attend-washington-dc-israel-rally/

It says, "Israel on Campus Coalition Offers $250 Grant". Note, "grant" not reimbursement. Not "subsidy". Later it says:

"To get reimbursed for travel expenses, students just need to fill out the brief form below. Again, ICC is offering $250 per student to attend the rally in Washington, DC."

That sounds to me like it is a reimbursement for travel expenses and $250 to attend. Maybe that is simply poor wording and I am misunderstanding. If that is the case, you can just explain that without all the accusations that I am spreading fake news and antisemitism. I quoted from the article directly in my first post so I am not sure what would be fake about it. It says what it says.

Anyway, here is how a normal conversation would go: "hey, a group is paying $250 to attend the rally" with a reply, "Yeah, that's normal". But, instead, you have to claim that it is fake news and antisemitism. Your reaction is not normal.

Jeff, Jewish history is not normal. You're a smart guy and know very well how powerful and dangerous the (fiercely antisemitic) image of rich Jews using their money to pull strings behind the scenes has been for a thousand years. This argument is beneath you. I know you support the national aspirations of the Palestinian people. That is not unreasonable. But if you aren't an antisemite, you have no business harnessing the vocabulary and imagery of classic antisemitism to support your points.

Also, yes, if you were indeed reading in good faith (I used to think you did even if your conclusions differed from mine), you were mistaken about the $250. Travel funds.

I just need to boost this post since Jeff is deleting mine even though they are literally saying the same thing. But I guess he doesn’t like to have his issues pointed out repeatedly. So I simply say: “+1”

Mine was deleted too. So +1000

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that one needs to be paid to care about the Israeli hostages really upset me. Could not stop thinking about it. I am not Jewish, I did not plan to attend because the time of the rally did not work well. I will now. I took time the day off, unpaid, if it matters.

Good for you.
I wish I could attend. I am a day's drive from DC and have a meeting the next day that I cannot miss. Otherwise, I would try to make the trip.
I am not Jewish.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that one needs to be paid to care about the Israeli hostages really upset me. Could not stop thinking about it. I am not Jewish, I did not plan to attend because the time of the rally did not work well. I will now. I took time the day off, unpaid, if it matters.

Good for you.
I wish I could attend. I am a day's drive from DC and have a meeting the next day that I cannot miss. Otherwise, I would try to make the trip.
I am not Jewish.

Thank you, from a Jew.

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Anonymous wrote:Does the Open Society foundation fund these rallies too?

I really hope you do not have a job requiring critical thinking skills with responsibilities for the well-being of your fellow citizens.

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Is the message of this gathering that Hamas is a fascistic terrorist organization and that hostages should be released? If so, that seems pretty anodyne.

The message as far as I've seen it is three-fold:
1. Israel has a right to exist.
2. Release the hostages.
3. Antisemitism is bad.

Good message. Would be good to see Muslims joining in, just as Jews join in the pro-Palestinian marches.

I imagine #1 is a sticking point.

Why would it be? Two-state solution and all.

Maybe I'm just not seeing the calls for a 2 state solution coming from Palestinian voices?

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jsteele wrote:Here is one way to boost attendance:

https://crownheights.info/jewish-news/840736/israel-on-campus-coalition-offers-250-grant-for-college-students-to-attend-washington-dc-israel-rally/

Israel on Campus Coalition (ICC) is offering $250 for college students to attend the Pro-Israel rally on 11/14 in Washington, DC. The rally is expected to be one of the largest pro-Israel rallies in history. The rally is sponsored by the Jewish Federations of North America and the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

To get reimbursed for travel expenses, students just need to fill out the brief form below. Again, ICC is offering $250 per student to attend the rally in Washington, DC.

Not sure if you’re suggesting that people are being paid to attend the rally? Perhaps they are somewhere, but this specific organization is offering money to cover the travel costs of attendance. You have to submit your expenses to get reimbursed, it isn’t payment to go. I think many organizations offer this for all kinds of protests in DC because people want to go from across the country which can get expensive. I’m not sure if you’re suggesting that pro-Israel people are trying to buy attendance or if you were drawing people’s attention to a funding program which might help people who want to go - your language suggests the former and I wanted to clarify the position. If it is the latter then thanks, but all the funds have already been allocated.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the message of this gathering that Hamas is a fascistic terrorist organization and that hostages should be released? If so, that seems pretty anodyne.

The message as far as I've seen it is three-fold:
1. Israel has a right to exist.
2. Release the hostages.
3. Antisemitism is bad.

Good message. Would be good to see Muslims joining in, just as Jews join in the pro-Palestinian marches.

I imagine #1 is a sticking point.

Why would it be? Two-state solution and all.

Maybe I'm just not seeing the calls for a 2 state solution coming from Palestinian voices?

Then you are choosing not to look

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Anonymous wrote:Is the message of this gathering that Hamas is a fascistic terrorist organization and that hostages should be released? If so, that seems pretty anodyne.

The message as far as I've seen it is three-fold:
1. Israel has a right to exist.
2. Release the hostages.
3. Antisemitism is bad.

Good message. Would be good to see Muslims joining in, just as Jews join in the pro-Palestinian marches.

I imagine #1 is a sticking point.

Why would it be? Two-state solution and all.

Maybe I'm just not seeing the calls for a 2 state solution coming from Palestinian voices?

Then you are choosing not to look

It's entirely possible that I just don't have those voices in my network. All of the pro-Palestinian people I know or know tangentially are anti-Israel and "from the river to the sea" people.

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Anonymous wrote:Is the message of this gathering that Hamas is a fascistic terrorist organization and that hostages should be released? If so, that seems pretty anodyne.

The message as far as I've seen it is three-fold:
1. Israel has a right to exist.
2. Release the hostages.
3. Antisemitism is bad.

Good message. Would be good to see Muslims joining in, just as Jews join in the pro-Palestinian marches.

I imagine #1 is a sticking point.

Why would it be? Two-state solution and all.

Maybe I'm just not seeing the calls for a 2 state solution coming from Palestinian voices?

chant seems to be “there is only one solution”? Creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

You really don’t get it? I mean you REALLY don’t? “One could argue about tactics”? Seriously?? 10 thousand people including 4 thousand children bombed and unable to flee is not a genocide to you? I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but I can see for myself how one sided this is and I’m glad others are calling out atrocities when they see it.

DP. I don't think you understand the words you are using. Genocide has a specific meaning. We saw plenty of civilians killed in the most recent US conflicts. It's not going to phase Americans who are familiar with collateral damage.

I know what a genocide is, and calling justified, collateral damage or whatever else helps you sleep at night does not change the fact that this is a textbook definition of genocide. If it doesn’t phase you, then it you should really think about why the deaths of some are worthy of mourning but not others.

I’ll bite . The actual textbook definition of genocide is “To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.

So by that definition, it’s Hamas and their massive base of Palestinian supporters that took a whack at committing genocide. They failed. You don’t get to turn the tables on Israel for defending themselves and rooting out the cancer.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

You really don’t get it? I mean you REALLY don’t? “One could argue about tactics”? Seriously?? 10 thousand people including 4 thousand children bombed and unable to flee is not a genocide to you? I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but I can see for myself how one sided this is and I’m glad others are calling out atrocities when they see it.

DP. I don't think you understand the words you are using. Genocide has a specific meaning. We saw plenty of civilians killed in the most recent US conflicts. It's not going to phase Americans who are familiar with collateral damage.

I know what a genocide is, and calling justified, collateral damage or whatever else helps you sleep at night does not change the fact that this is a textbook definition of genocide. If it doesn’t phase you, then it you should really think about why the deaths of some are worthy of mourning but not others.

I’ll bite . The actual textbook definition of genocide is “To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.

So by that definition, it’s Hamas and their massive base of Palestinian supporters that took a whack at committing genocide. They failed. You don’t get to turn the tables on Israel for defending themselves and rooting out the cancer.

I see problems with your logic.
Hamas attack was terrible, no doubt about that.
In their defense, not to be the devils advocate, they never were in a position to succeed at committing genocide.

What is happening in Gaza and the West Bank is terrible. I cannot for the life of me support Israel. This is not about self defense, not any more

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand why Israel is losing the war of minds/hearts. The message seems pretty simple to me: Israel deserves to exist in peace. One could argue about tactics and strategies etc but that core message seems simple and should resonate. Why is this so hard? Why can't people rally behind that? The only people who object would be those who find the existence of Israel to be abhorrent but if they actually say that, how is that now showing their own inhumanity?

You really don’t get it? I mean you REALLY don’t? “One could argue about tactics”? Seriously?? 10 thousand people including 4 thousand children bombed and unable to flee is not a genocide to you? I’m neither Israeli nor Palestinian but I can see for myself how one sided this is and I’m glad others are calling out atrocities when they see it.

DP. I don't think you understand the words you are using. Genocide has a specific meaning. We saw plenty of civilians killed in the most recent US conflicts. It's not going to phase Americans who are familiar with collateral damage.

I know what a genocide is, and calling justified, collateral damage or whatever else helps you sleep at night does not change the fact that this is a textbook definition of genocide. If it doesn’t phase you, then it you should really think about why the deaths of some are worthy of mourning but not others.

I’ll bite . The actual textbook definition of genocide is “To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.

So by that definition, it’s Hamas and their massive base of Palestinian supporters that took a whack at committing genocide. They failed. You don’t get to turn the tables on Israel for defending themselves and rooting out the cancer.

I see problems with your logic.
Hamas attack was terrible, no doubt about that.
In their defense, not to be the devils advocate, they never were in a position to succeed at committing genocide.

What is happening in Gaza and the West Bank is terrible. I cannot for the life of me support Israel. This is not about self defense, not any more

DP
I totally disagree. Hamas knew Israel would respond. And, now, Israel has missiles coming at it from all directions.
Hamas has stated their goal is the elimination of Jews.
And, this is very much about self defense. Israel and the Jewish people cannot survive as long as Hamas survives.