How many freshman take AP Gov or History?

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Anonymous wrote:My kid switched from US history to AP Gov today in school. The guidance counselors and the schools need to have better pathways lined up. And why oh why are basic kids taking all of these honors courses. It means nothing. Are they basically just non-remedial? It’s so confusing.

"Basic kids"? Who told you that? So "basic kids" shouldn't be challenged?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid switched from US history to AP Gov today in school. The guidance counselors and the schools need to have better pathways lined up. And why oh why are basic kids taking all of these honors courses. It means nothing. Are they basically just non-remedial? It’s so confusing.

"Basic kids"? Who told you that? So "basic kids" shouldn't be challenged?

Yes, when schools only offer honors, it is no longer a challenge. It is a basic course with a weighted GPA.

It shouldn’t be done

[Anonymous]

Try the AP Gov

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

Not to mention that the AP exam is like a final exam. It's pathetic that MCPS got rid of them.

The AP exam cost so it makes no sense for people who are not going to be prepared to take them.

[Anonymous]

Can you people stop putting down other people's children? Some of these posts are so smug it's disgusting.

Kids need tutors for all sorts of reasons and it does not mean the class is outside their "current capability." They may have missed a few classes for illness or outside activities or just are a bad fit with a particular teacher. If they had a different teacher they may not need the tutor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

"Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need to study hard and take lots of notes you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now."

Do you really not see how stupid you sound?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

I don't think you're familiar with the reality of crap teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

I’ll bite. My child had a tutor for algebra. He was fully capable of handling the material, but there was no textbook, no links to materials on the class page, and the teacher did not give homework. So how was he supposed to practice independently outside of class, and how were we supposed to support him in doing so when we had a pretty bare understanding of what was being covered in class? Maybe some kids can learn algebra and do well with just 40-minute class increments, but it doesn’t mean they can’t handle the material if they need or want additional practice outside of that and meet that through tutoring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid switched from US history to AP Gov today in school. The guidance counselors and the schools need to have better pathways lined up. And why oh why are basic kids taking all of these honors courses. It means nothing. Are they basically just non-remedial? It’s so confusing.

"Basic kids"? Who told you that? So "basic kids" shouldn't be challenged?

2x

The curriculum should be challenging to basic kids as is.
U less you're saying the basic curriculum is remedial

[Anonymous]

Non honors in all high school is remedial

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

Who cares if a kid needs a tutor to master the material? The point of school is to learn. Knowledge and ability are not fixed. There's no prize for breezing through a class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

Who cares if a kid needs a tutor to master the material? The point of school is to learn. Knowledge and ability are not fixed. There's no prize for breezing through a class.

Because the majority of students and families can not afford tutors.

Just like they can’t afford to retake standardized tests 5-6 times until they get a better number.

Just like most can’t afford college counselors, tons of college applications, and the ability to visit colleges.

Do you not see how this is an issue?

It’s not a level playing field. If your kid can’t do it with just the teacher teaching him and needs a $70/hr tutor to baby step it for them, it’s an unfair advantage and your kid wasn’t ready for the class but still pulled out a good grade because he was spoon fed while others weren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

Who cares if a kid needs a tutor to master the material? The point of school is to learn. Knowledge and ability are not fixed. There's no prize for breezing through a class.

Because the majority of students and families can not afford tutors.

Just like they can’t afford to retake standardized tests 5-6 times until they get a better number.

Just like most can’t afford college counselors, tons of college applications, and the ability to visit colleges.

Do you not see how this is an issue?

It’s not a level playing field. If your kid can’t do it with just the teacher teaching him and needs a $70/hr tutor to baby step it for them, it’s an unfair advantage and your kid wasn’t ready for the class but still pulled out a good grade because he was spoon fed while others weren’t.

Life is not fair. Meritocracy is a myth. The point of school is to learn, not to view other people’s kids as competitors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

Yes it does, unless you are dealing with a LD. Honors and AP by their very nature are meant to be quicker or more in depth(likely both) and require more independent work to master the material. If you constantly need a tutor you are outside of your current capability. It doesn’t mean that will be true for every subject or forever, but it does mean that for right now.

Who cares if a kid needs a tutor to master the material? The point of school is to learn. Knowledge and ability are not fixed. There's no prize for breezing through a class.

Because the majority of students and families can not afford tutors.

Just like they can’t afford to retake standardized tests 5-6 times until they get a better number.

Just like most can’t afford college counselors, tons of college applications, and the ability to visit colleges.

Do you not see how this is an issue?

It’s not a level playing field. If your kid can’t do it with just the teacher teaching him and needs a $70/hr tutor to baby step it for them, it’s an unfair advantage and your kid wasn’t ready for the class but still pulled out a good grade because he was spoon fed while others weren’t.

Life is not fair. Meritocracy is a myth. The point of school is to learn, not to view other people’s kids as competitors.

But your kid isn’t learning in school - same as the rest of the class. But yours is getting expensive help OUTSIDE of school, so it can look like he is smart.