How many freshman take AP Gov or History?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student inand I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

PP— yes, I know CB likes money. That’s why their original letter was so interesting. I think it’s better for my kid to get a C in AP (and then go to tutoring for help) than to get an A in Honors. Absolutely no question in my mind about that

A college admissions officer might disagree!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Narrow assessment. It could also be a) the teaching of those classes is not up to par and b) the parent doesn't have the time or skills to help out with any homework questions.

Kids that really belong in these classes don’t need tutors. Know your kid. I can’t stand seeing all these miserable kids either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The passing rates are declining. It was 68% overall with a “passing” and they NEVER differentiate 3-5.

Most colleges won’t accept a 3

Also there were 9 schools that didn’t hit 50%

Stop spreading misinformation. The passing rate for MCPS has been going up and it was over 70% between 2019-2021.
Only 4 schools didn't hit 50%.

Umm not the PP but I just did a quick google search and you are wrong and they are right.

https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-advanced-placement-ap-tests-scores-by-school-2019-2021-data-analysis/

Did you actually look at the link you posted? How many schools didn't hit 50%?
My goodness!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The passing rates are declining. It was 68% overall with a “passing” and they NEVER differentiate 3-5.

Most colleges won’t accept a 3

Also there were 9 schools that didn’t hit 50%

Stop spreading misinformation. The passing rate for MCPS has been going up and it was over 70% between 2019-2021.
Only 4 schools didn't hit 50%.

Umm not the PP but I just did a quick google search and you are wrong and they are right.

https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-advanced-placement-ap-tests-scores-by-school-2019-2021-data-analysis/

Did you actually look at the link you posted? How many schools didn't hit 50%?
My goodness!

8 of 25 high schools did not even hit 50%
15 out of 25 high schools did not hit 57%

That is A LOT of students getting no credit and probably 2/3 of the students getting 3 or less

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Narrow assessment. It could also be a) the teaching of those classes is not up to par and b) the parent doesn't have the time or skills to help out with any homework questions.

Kids that really belong in these classes don’t need tutors. Know your kid. I can’t stand seeing all these miserable kids either.

Yeah you're reading comprehension is questionable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The passing rates are declining. It was 68% overall with a “passing” and they NEVER differentiate 3-5.

Most colleges won’t accept a 3

Also there were 9 schools that didn’t hit 50%

Stop spreading misinformation. The passing rate for MCPS has been going up and it was over 70% between 2019-2021.
Only 4 schools didn't hit 50%.

Umm not the PP but I just did a quick google search and you are wrong and they are right.

https://moderatelymoco.com/mcps-advanced-placement-ap-tests-scores-by-school-2019-2021-data-analysis/

Did you actually look at the link you posted? How many schools didn't hit 50%?
My goodness!

8 of 25 high schools did not even hit 50%
15 out of 25 high schools did not hit 57%

That is A LOT of students getting no credit and probably 2/3 of the students getting 3 or less

Stop being disingenuous.
In 2019 only 4 schools didn't hit 50%
In 2020 only 2 schools didn't hit 50%
In 2021 8 schools didn't hit 50%, but we all know what happened then, don't we?
But then again your agenda is clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

Not to mention that the AP exam is like a final exam. It's pathetic that MCPS got rid of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

Not to mention that the AP exam is like a final exam. It's pathetic that MCPS got rid of them.

Having a big cumulative exam at the end is definitely one of the bonuses of AP classes for MCPS students. I’m not so worried about how my kid scores, just that they learn how how to study for and take a final.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My Freshman is taking APUSH at a W. It wasn't really a question by the guidance counsellor (we moved so met about classes).

Mine is too at the SMCS magnet and already thinking it was a mistake. Loves history and writing but it feels like a bad idea to make freshman year this intense. Pondering changing after school starts if the academics seem crazy.

They should definitely change. Very strongly advised against for students in the magnet.

So if magnet kids are being told not to take the AP, why are non-magnet kids taking it?

Magnet kids are taking an intensive magnet science class, and an intensive double math class in one period. That's like 2 APs worth of extra load.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

Not to mention that the AP exam is like a final exam. It's pathetic that MCPS got rid of them.

Having a big cumulative exam at the end is definitely one of the bonuses of AP classes for MCPS students. I’m not so worried about how my kid scores, just that they learn how how to study for and take a final.

The secret to studying for a final is to study and work all year, and not just cram for each module test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I teach AP Social Studies courses, including AP Govt. Several years ago, the Collegeboard put out a statement that they do not recommend that 9th grade students take AP courses. However, I hate to admit this, but when my kid goes to HS next year I will insist that he enroll in and many APs offered at each grade level, which including 9th. He is a smart but not overly diligent student and I think it’s good to be in the advanced courses whenever possible. Better cohort, better teachers, GPA boost, better curriculum, etc.

That was many years ago, before College Board remembered that they like money, and started inventing lots of new APs for 9th
grade and non-university-level courses.

https://blog.collegeboard.org/popular-ap-courses-grade

What's your plan if your non-overly-diligent student can't keep up with the curriculum and gets a B or C in the AP class instead of an A in honors?

My neighbors hired a tutors for their 9th grader who couldn’t keep up in APUSH and honors Alg 2. Odd to me the parents that push their kids into advanced classes they can’t handle.

Having a tutor does not necessarily mean that the content is too hard. Sometimes the teaching style is not a match for the student, or they just need personal attention that they can't get in a 2500 person school with 31 students in class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in honors everything including Alg 2. She is also taking AP computer science. She came home after orientation stating she feels that honors history is for the non-college kids and she should be in an AP class. I have heard from countless teens and parents that AP Gov is a nightmare class for freshman and my daughter has zero desire to learn anything about US Gov. She also plays a travel sport that consumes a lot of time. I really don't think she needs the AP, but she is telling me she will be behind her peers if she doesn't do it. I am not buying it.

Then why aren't you at the Suspend the Constitution rally in Atlanta this week?

I love you. Zing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My Freshman is taking APUSH at a W. It wasn't really a question by the guidance counsellor (we moved so met about classes).

Mine is too at the SMCS magnet and already thinking it was a mistake. Loves history and writing but it feels like a bad idea to make freshman year this intense. Pondering changing after school starts if the academics seem crazy.

They should definitely change. Very strongly advised against for students in the magnet.

So if magnet kids are being told not to take the AP, why are non-magnet kids taking it?

Magnet kids are taking an intensive magnet science class, and an intensive double math class in one period. That's like 2 APs worth of extra load.

Hopefully you're aware of MCPS' agenda? Spend as little money as possible on academics is second only to push bright kids down in the name of equity.
There are only so many AP teachers. They aren't going to your kid.

[Anonymous]

My kid switched from US history to AP Gov today in school. The guidance counselors and the schools need to have better pathways lined up. And why oh why are basic kids taking all of these honors courses. It means nothing. Are they basically just non-remedial? It’s so confusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid switched from US history to AP Gov today in school. The guidance counselors and the schools need to have better pathways lined up. And why oh why are basic kids taking all of these honors courses. It means nothing. Are they basically just non-remedial? It’s so confusing.

These days, Honors is often the lowest level course available.