APS Closing Nottingham

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

This is some lazy, defeatist bull crap. Many families that left were heavily invested in the success of these schools and couldn’t take the BS coming from Syphax any longer.

For all the money and talent in these schools, APS is underperforming. COVID is making it worse. Maybe you’re ok with the long slide toward equitable mediocrity. Others are not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

This is some lazy, defeatist bull crap. Many families that left were heavily invested in the success of these schools and couldn’t take the BS coming from Syphax any longer.

For all the money and talent in these schools, APS is underperforming. COVID is making it worse. Maybe you’re ok with the long slide toward equitable mediocrity. Others are not.

You’re conflating issues. This has nothing to do with equity, or standards based grading or whatever other things you’re against. But yeah, tell me again how you were going to APS if only they didn’t [insert thing you’re upset about]. And this one small thing isn’t the camel that will break the back of APS. If we survived Lucy f***ing Caulkins we will get through this, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

If it’s so dangerous for pedestrians maybe it makes sense to bus kids in and use it as swing space rather than have so many walkers.

If there was space for the buses needed to move 450-600 kids, I might agree with you. There is not in fact space for that amount of buses. Also this ignores that there will still be a significant added influx of cars due to extended day drop offs/pickups.

There is nothing more menacing than a series of distracted drivers racing the clock and treating your neighborhood like their highway/parking lot. The Tuckahoe neighborhood goes through this every few years with McConnell, and that is a well established school community. We’d be reinventing the wheel every year with the Airbnb approach APS has planned for Nottingham.

This is a bit more of a “sacrifice” to this community than which blue ribbon school we attend, and again, not one word about it in the APS analysis.

Look, I've seen Nottingham's property. You have more space than you know what to do with up there. Why don't you take a look at just about any other school in the system and see how they manage buses and cars and how most of the County lives, and how half of it lives every day year round.

If you want to plot it out where you’d put the buses go right ahead. Figure you’d need 8-10, twice per day, and probably 200 new car trips excluding teachers. I don’t even think the option schools have that level of burden but I could be wrong.

But I get it, we’re all supposed to accept this half baked proposal on faith and get on with the suffering because it suits your idea of economic justice. Tell me - what’s the going rate on a new build in 22204 or 22206 these days?

About $1.75 zoned for barcroft
https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/4504-6th-St-S-22204/home/11261048

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be the end of option schools.

You think Nottingham parents are snobby? You haven't met the Discovery parents. They will not support this. A coalition of Nottingham, Discovery, and Jamestown parents are going to come for ATS - a school which really has no business even existing.

I can get behind this, and I don’t even have skin in the game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be the end of option schools.

You think Nottingham parents are snobby? You haven't met the Discovery parents. They will not support this. A coalition of Nottingham, Discovery, and Jamestown parents are going to come for ATS - a school which really has no business even existing.

Discovery is a wealthier school than nottingham.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will be the end of option schools.

You think Nottingham parents are snobby? You haven't met the Discovery parents. They will not support this. A coalition of Nottingham, Discovery, and Jamestown parents are going to come for ATS - a school which really has no business even existing.

Discovery is a wealthier school than nottingham.

It’s the same people. Discovery didn’t even exist 8 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago.

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.

. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will be the end of option schools.

You think Nottingham parents are snobby? You haven't met the Discovery parents. They will not support this. A coalition of Nottingham, Discovery, and Jamestown parents are going to come for ATS - a school which really has no business even existing.

Discovery is a wealthier school than nottingham.

Dumb comment of the day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

This is some lazy, defeatist bull crap. Many families that left were heavily invested in the success of these schools and couldn’t take the BS coming from Syphax any longer.

For all the money and talent in these schools, APS is underperforming. COVID is making it worse. Maybe you’re ok with the long slide toward equitable mediocrity. Others are not.

You’re conflating issues. This has nothing to do with equity, or standards based grading or whatever other things you’re against. But yeah, tell me again how you were going to APS if only they didn’t [insert thing you’re upset about]. And this one small thing isn’t the camel that will break the back of APS. If we survived Lucy f***ing Caulkins we will get through this, too.

If you don’t see the continued focus on boundary chaos, unproven theories, and shiny new LEED Gold buildings as distracting APS from its core mission of successfully educating students, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s all related. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time, and some people cannot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

This is some lazy, defeatist bull crap. Many families that left were heavily invested in the success of these schools and couldn’t take the BS coming from Syphax any longer.

For all the money and talent in these schools, APS is underperforming. COVID is making it worse. Maybe you’re ok with the long slide toward equitable mediocrity. Others are not.

You’re conflating issues. This has nothing to do with equity, or standards based grading or whatever other things you’re against. But yeah, tell me again how you were going to APS if only they didn’t [insert thing you’re upset about]. And this one small thing isn’t the camel that will break the back of APS. If we survived Lucy f***ing Caulkins we will get through this, too.

If you don’t see the continued focus on boundary chaos, unproven theories, and shiny new LEED Gold buildings as distracting APS from its core mission of successfully educating students, I don’t know what to tell you. It’s all related. Some people can walk and chew gum at the same time, and some people cannot.

Well, to be fair, the county requires all new buildings to be at least LEED silver. Going forward, APS probably won’t spend the money for LEED gold. The new ACC will be LEED silver.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

If they don’t come back, are you not at all concerned that that most privileged areas of the county have private school as the new norm? That terrifies me for our public school system. What set Arlington apart in the past was a community rallying around public schools, together. I am concerned that North Arlington will no longer support our schools in this way. That would seem to be a problem for South Arlington. Over the long haul.

Tee hee. No. Not worried if the few spoiled families left at Nottingham leave for private school because they don’t get the specific fancy APS elementary school they wanted and have to go a few blocks away for school. All the rest of the APS families in Jamestown and Discovery and Ashlawn and Cardinal and Fleet and Randolph and Glebe will still be there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago.

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.

. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful.

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago.

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.

. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful.

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!!

It’s also about people being willing to accept complete BS from APS if it means they can stick it to Nottingham based on the alleged crimes of a PTA president some years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

Well, Wakefield is the most overcrowded high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago.

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.

. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful.

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!!

It’s also about people being willing to accept complete BS from APS if it means they can stick it to Nottingham based on the alleged crimes of a PTA president some years ago.

Say what?