APS Closing Nottingham

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

If they don’t come back, are you not at all concerned that that most privileged areas of the county have private school as the new norm? That terrifies me for our public school system. What set Arlington apart in the past was a community rallying around public schools, together. I am concerned that North Arlington will no longer support our schools in this way. That would seem to be a problem for South Arlington. Over the long haul.

The bigger threat and problem for south Arlington is the downward spiral APS leadership has been taking the school system. THAT terrifies me for our public school system. Many people who could, left for private. Some will come back; but many have seen a better education being administered and are staying for the quality of the education. As long as APS provides a top quality education, there will be plenty of wealthy white moms to replace the Nottingham moms. If APS continues on the course it's been, there won't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

This is some lazy, defeatist bull crap. Many families that left were heavily invested in the success of these schools and couldn’t take the BS coming from Syphax any longer.

For all the money and talent in these schools, APS is underperforming. COVID is making it worse. Maybe you’re ok with the long slide toward equitable mediocrity. Others are not.

COVID isn't doing anything anymore. APS is chopping off its own limbs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

If they don’t come back, are you not at all concerned that that most privileged areas of the county have private school as the new norm? That terrifies me for our public school system. What set Arlington apart in the past was a community rallying around public schools, together. I am concerned that North Arlington will no longer support our schools in this way. That would seem to be a problem for South Arlington. Over the long haul.

Tee hee. No. Not worried if the few spoiled families left at Nottingham leave for private school because they don’t get the specific fancy APS elementary school they wanted and have to go a few blocks away for school. All the rest of the APS families in Jamestown and Discovery and Ashlawn and Cardinal and Fleet and Randolph and Glebe will still be there.

Do they not see the irony? Leaving to go to a private school they can't walk to because APS moved them to a nearby school they can't walk to? Anyone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago.

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.

. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful.

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!!

Bingo! Winner winner!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there another elementary school that has had 3 pedestrian deaths within 2 blocks of tbe school in the last decade? Nottingham isn’t set up for the kind of traffic influx they would need. It can’t even handle the current traffic, where most people walk.

Look, you need to turn against each other. One of Discovery, Nottingham, and Tuckahoe is going to go. Seems to me APS picked Nottingham because it’s in the middle. You are going to have to show that closing Discovery or Tuckahoe would be better.

They picked Nottingham because of declining enrollment and size. Discovery is fairly new so wouldn’t want to outright admit building that was a mistake. Tuckahoe is smaller and cannot accommodate any additional trailers. Whereas Nottingham has lots of room for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago.

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.

. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful.

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!!

Bingo! Winner winner!

This isn’t the Gotcha you think it is. If I’m hopping in the car anyway, I might as well drive my kid to a school that cares about the community it serves. Bonus if my kid actually gets educated.

[Anonymous]

Great. Bye Nottingham mom. Tell Don Beyer we said hi!

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one. [/quote]

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck![/quote]

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.[/quote]

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago. [/quote]

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. [b]You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington[/b]. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.[/quote]. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful. [/quote]

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!![/quote]

It’s also about people being willing to accept complete BS from APS if it means they can stick it to Nottingham based on the alleged crimes of a PTA president some years ago. [/quote]

Say what?[/quote]

Read the thread. Nottingham and its parents have been selected for some extra special hate. I’d never thought I’d see people take such glee in bad governance but here we are. School Board is dumbing down to its audience.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

If they don’t come back, are you not at all concerned that that most privileged areas of the county have private school as the new norm? That terrifies me for our public school system. What set Arlington apart in the past was a community rallying around public schools, together. I am concerned that North Arlington will no longer support our schools in this way. That would seem to be a problem for South Arlington. Over the long haul.

Tee hee. No. Not worried if the few spoiled families left at Nottingham leave for private school because they don’t get the specific fancy APS elementary school they wanted and have to go a few blocks away for school. All the rest of the APS families in Jamestown and Discovery and Ashlawn and Cardinal and Fleet and Randolph and Glebe will still be there.

Do they not see the irony? Leaving to go to a private school they can't walk to because APS moved them to a nearby school they can't walk to? Anyone?

You’re not too bright. The calculus is that if APS takes away one of the few advantages of the public schools the benefits of the alternatives then take on more significance.

[Anonymous]

What do you propose as the alternative, Nottingham parents? Earnest question.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one. [/quote]

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck![/quote]

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.[/quote]

You have to understand that losing a highly motivated, highly involved UMC population from your school system does not bode well for its future, right? Not a threat, just a fact.

We have an example of what that looks like next door and in just about every town in the southern United States.

We all have an interest in rational decision making from APS because we all pay for it and are affected by it.

I commit to be rational and think of the whole, if my neighbors in other schools can commit to not be vindictive based on perceived slights from 10 years ago. [/quote]

This is just hysteria and get over yourself. 1. All of Nottingham is not going anywhere even if the school closes. Most people don't have that opttion and carry on. 2. [b]You are a sliver of the UMC crowd in Arlington[/b]. A sliver. "All the north Arlington PTA moms" are not going anywhere.

So to recap, get over yourself.[/quote]. Is that true? I mean, APS says they oevrestimated seats in N Arlington by 1000 seats? Is that the “sliver” you are talking about? Because I agree with you in theory if it’s a sliver, but it appears to be a potential sea change. I just want to understand and it appears to me that you and APS are dismissing this. If it’s 1000 seats … then that is meaningful. [/quote]

This isn’t about APS estimates potentially being off. This is about a few families at Nottingham who can’t be inconvenienced to go to school at Discovery or Tuckahoe. Each of which is almost so close you could throw a rock and hit it. The families that go private because of that were never committed to public school. And walkability clearly isn’t the motivating factor if they leave for private!![/quote]

It’s also about people being willing to accept complete BS from APS if it means they can stick it to Nottingham based on the alleged crimes of a PTA president some years ago. [/quote]

Say what?[/quote]

Read the thread. Nottingham and its parents have been selected for some extra special hate. I’d never thought I’d see people take such glee in bad governance but here we are. School Board is dumbing down to its audience. [/quote]

That shouldn’t surprise you at all. When you can offer people a good education for their kids any longer, providing them with opportunities for schadenfreude is the next best thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one cares if Nottingham pta moms leave Arlington. Seriously. No one.

I believe this is true. The problem is when all the north Arlington pta moms leave and you are stuck in Alexandria public schools. Good luck!

Gee, I never thought of it that way. After all, it's the north Arlington PTA moms that determine the quality of my south arlington schools. If they leave, surely our teachers and involved south Arlington parents will leave, too.

Hahhhaha. So cute that you think that your south Arlington school is unaffected by the exodus of the privileged kids in north Arlington. I mean, tons of folks are heading to Arlington send their kids to wakefield.

DP but if this is the thing that pushes you to private school, so be it. You already had one foot out the door, clearly.

Lots of families left APS after the pandemic and honestly, they’re not coming back. Not because of superior education, but because private schools offer a more controlled environment. If that’s what you want, then it’s where you were always going to end up. I don’t know what to say. Boundaries are going to change, things are going to change. If that’s not okay with you, private school is the only place you’ll be comfortable.

If they don’t come back, are you not at all concerned that that most privileged areas of the county have private school as the new norm? That terrifies me for our public school system. What set Arlington apart in the past was a community rallying around public schools, together. I am concerned that North Arlington will no longer support our schools in this way. That would seem to be a problem for South Arlington. Over the long haul.

Tee hee. No. Not worried if the few spoiled families left at Nottingham leave for private school because they don’t get the specific fancy APS elementary school they wanted and have to go a few blocks away for school. All the rest of the APS families in Jamestown and Discovery and Ashlawn and Cardinal and Fleet and Randolph and Glebe will still be there.

Do they not see the irony? Leaving to go to a private school they can't walk to because APS moved them to a nearby school they can't walk to? Anyone?

You’re not too bright. The calculus is that if APS takes away one of the few advantages of the public schools the benefits of the alternatives then take on more significance.

+1. The old adage “a program for the poor is a poor program” applies here. When it comes to public schools - any program really - you want as broad a buy in as possible. It becomes too easy to cut otherwise.

[Anonymous]

I think any school community would be upset by this. It sucks. We were at Key during the transition and it turned out fine, but the students weren’t being spread out to different schools (although some just reverted to their neighborhood school by choice) and a lot of us don’t live particularly close to either the new or old Key location. Also, as a choice school, APS made no secret of its long-standing desire to change boundaries and locations of immersion schools. Being caught in this kind of transition is really bad luck. Typically you can rely on the school in your neighborhood continuing to be your school. Sorry Nottingham - even if APS has a valid reason, I feel your pain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you propose as the alternative, Nottingham parents? Earnest question.

I haven’t seen one substantive argument in this entire thread against APS’s proposal. Their assumptions are all wrong is as much as we’ve gotten. I read their assumptions. They don’t sound all wrong to me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What do you propose as the alternative, Nottingham parents? Earnest question.

I haven’t seen one substantive argument in this entire thread against APS’s proposal. Their assumptions are all wrong is as much as we’ve gotten. I read their assumptions. They don’t sound all wrong to me.

I haven’t seen any good reason for APS’s proposal to shut down a well established and popular school when we are supposedly at capacity, and only a pandemic away from years of unexpected and significant growth. I don’t think they’ve even justified a need for “swing space” without an idea of the schools that are being renovated or the scope of work to be done with them.

Their data methodology- you can drive a truck through it.

It’s not my job to offer alternatives - it’s theirs to prove this is sound and reasoned decision. Not seeing it.