SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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Anonymous wrote:The Supreme Court DID NOT strike down Affirmative Action

Admission preferences for legacies, donors, employee families and special recommendations are still allowed

The Court struck down Affirmative Action For everyone except white people.

This will be a leopards eating faces moment for the litigants.

Again, this also had mainly impacted Asian folks, but you conveniently gloss over that fact. Pretty sad Harvard also ranked them so low on “personality” tests, but that’s another story altogether.

Having taught many college students, I understand this.

I mean did you, tho, Anonymous poster?

I did, yes.

Let me guess, you ask everyone to address you as doctor, but you have a PhD in Early English Lit?

Nice stereotyping but no, was a computer science professor. I downplay having a PhD because of people’s attitudes, like yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the majority think it's OK for the military service academies to still use race in admissions?

Justice Jackson knows why:

The Court has come to rest on the bottom-line conclusion that racial diversity in higher education is only worth potentially preserving insofar as it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not the boardroom (a particularly awkward place to land, in light of the history the majority
opts to ignore). It would be deeply unfortunate if the Equal Protection Clause actually demanded this perverse,
ahistorical, and counterproductive outcome. To impose this result in that Clause’s name when it requires no such thing,
and to thereby obstruct our collective progress toward the full realization of the Clause’s promise, is truly a tragedy
for us all.

She’s right!

Who did she consult for her opinion?

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Now do public opinion on Dobbs, which 80% of Americans disagree with.

Which is why it is ripe for a legislative fix.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I did expect so much racism on this board. Why are you all against outlawing racial preference? Schools can still give preference for geographic location and socioeconomic status, so what is with the whining about life being over for blacks? Do you really think that poor white folks aren't disadvantaged and don't deserve a chance? Have you gone to Appalachians and see these communities? They all could use some bonus points, regardless of race.

The ruling will hurt rich URM and help poor whites. That's a good thing in my book. Rich URMs don't need help.

Did I miss something? Were the Appalachians slaves? Breaking out my tiny violin. As my uncle used to say, there is no reason that any white person in this country should be poor given the advantages they have had in life.

What does someone's ancestor they have never interacted with having been slaves have anything to do with their privilege today? Please actually spell this out. Those poors of other races have no equity in anything either, have broken families, have had no one go to college in their family. How is it different? And why does being white automatically mean they should be rich?? Unlike you, most people don't just bend over backwards and kowtow to someone based on their race. I am not white and I see no privilege enjoyed by the poor whites.

+1 Poor whites have not been given advantages. Wealthy whites, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:No more fake white “Latinos” whose European ancestors moved to South America getting admissions preferences over other similarly white students.

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No one games the system more than latinos!

Yet they have the lowest percentage of college degrees. The data don’t support your feelings.

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Anonymous wrote:Justice Jackson's dissent will join the pantheon of famous dissents which end being better known the Court's opinion.

+1

A brilliant legal document.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:The Supreme Court DID NOT strike down Affirmative Action

Admission preferences for legacies, donors, employee families and special recommendations are still allowed

The Court struck down Affirmative Action For everyone except white people.

This will be a leopards eating faces moment for the litigants.

Again, this also had mainly impacted Asian folks, but you conveniently gloss over that fact. Pretty sad Harvard also ranked them so low on “personality” tests, but that’s another story altogether.

Having taught many college students, I understand this.

I mean did you, tho, Anonymous poster?

I did, yes.

Let me guess, you ask everyone to address you as doctor, but you have a PhD in Early English Lit?

Nice stereotyping but no, was a computer science professor. I downplay having a PhD because of people’s attitudes, like yours.

You seem humble. Thanks for posting. We are all richer for your words.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

This is true. Their parents really push academics and excelling at activities to get them into top colleges. My child participates in fencing and the parents are unrelenting on achievement.

Because fencing is so important to academic excellence.

Tell me you know nothing about Ivy League schools without telling me you know nothing about Ivy League schools. Why don’t you do some research before opening your mouth and voicing a completely uneducated opinion. Embarrassed for you.

I know what my hypms student tells me. What does fencing have to do with academics?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

Also recent immigrants and their kids are mostly well educated and privileged. We have rigged immigration for people with money, connections, and degrees. A lot of them arrive on student visas as grad students and work connections to get to stay. There are a billion poor and uneducated Asians but you won’t see them in the U.S.

Poor and uneducated does not equal a lack of intelligence.

Apparently the Supreme Court believes that it does mean that for Blacks and Hispanics. Poor and less educated don’t have SAT tutors and fencing classes and prep school advantages.

But my point above was that you are looking at privileged Asians in affluent communities and elite schools concluding that all Asians are brilliant students. The extreme disparities and class divisions in most Asian countries says otherwise.

And I will tell you again....I am not working in an affluent area. The kids I'm evaluating (Hispanic, Black, White, Asian, etc) are not affluent at all.

I'm not going to say that Asians are smarter but I think a possible explanation for seemingly smarter asian kids from a very young age goes back to parental relationship. It's not the tutoring. I think it's the way traditionally Asian parents talk to their kids. I have never heard an Asian parent (not born here) use baby talk or sound like they are talking to kids when they talk to their kids. They talk like normal, they explain why rules are set, they explain the world how it is. They don't dumb it down, they don't sound impressed with the tiniest thing the kid does. Full disclosure, I am a second generation Asian and I cannot STAND the way white parents talk to their kids. It sounds like they adopt a fake persona.

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Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

72% of Asians hold college degrees. Tell me where the discrimination is?!

Still waiting for an answer. Where is the discrimination?

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Not agreeing with this related to the Supreme Court case which was based on race, not gender or sex. The same DEI policies for women still apply.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

This is true. Their parents really push academics and excelling at activities to get them into top colleges. My child participates in fencing and the parents are unrelenting on achievement.

I can confirm that many of the Asian students at my DC's public ES in a UMC neighborhood in NOVA got tutoring starting around age 5. They were also enrolled from a young age in STEM-related enrichment activities both after school and in the summer. They were also more likely to play musical instruments beyond the early years of ES. They can't all be naturally more intelligent or musically gifted than other students. Unless you believe that some races are superior to other races at the genetic level.

Because their parents actually give a crap and value education. That's not privilege, that's having a parent who parents and makes every sacrifice possible for their children.

I know, it's shocking right? When parents parent, outcomes are usually pretty good.

I agree with this. My kids are Jewish and they identify most with the other high achieving Asian kids. Until the 1960s, it was my forebears that were discriminated against at the top colleges so I have a lot of sympathy for other high achieving groups that feel discriminated against. We have tutored our kids in reading and math from an early age as well as engaged in STEM-related enrichment activities and it's paid off immensely in their academic achievements. We look at school as starting point and add enrichment and additional support from there. I recognize this is a privileged position to be in but parenting and individual agency matter. Not every one can or will. Instead of arbitrarily trying to shoehorn people into universities by race or lowering the achievement standards for all, maybe do the hard work of investing in underprivileged communities or building a better social safety net so that inequality is reduced. Or, as others have said, maybe focus on affirmative action by socioeconomic status. That may result in more poor whites as well as members of all races gaining admission to these universities.

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Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

72% of Asians hold college degrees. Tell me where the discrimination is?!

Still waiting for an answer. Where is the discrimination?

Harvard applied much higher admissions standards to Asian applicants, with the lowest admission rates despite having the highest scores. Blacks, by contrast, have the lowest scores and GPAs but the highest admission rates among races. If that is not discrimination, then there is no such thing as discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

72% of Asians hold college degrees. Tell me where the discrimination is?!

Still waiting for an answer. Where is the discrimination?

Break down 'Asian'.

Again, because of your racist stereotyping of Asians all the same, you haven't even broken down Asians with college degrees by descent. Like no crap, people who are Indian, Chinese, or Korean probably have college degrees because they have the highest median house hold income out of all girls in the country. Now do Asians with college degrees who are of South East Asian descent from areas like Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Philippines, Burma or from areas like Bangladesh, etc.

Those from East Asian and North East Asian and the Indian Subcontinent have been here much longer and have acquired vastly more wealth than Asian people of different descent. All Asians are not the same. Can you get that through your racist, thick skull?

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Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

72% of Asians hold college degrees. Tell me where the discrimination is?!

Still waiting for an answer. Where is the discrimination?

Harvard applied much higher admissions standards to Asian applicants, with the lowest admission rates despite having the highest scores. Blacks, by contrast, have the lowest scores and GPAs but the highest admission rates among races. If that is not discrimination, then there is no such thing as discrimination.

But there are still Asian students graduating from Harvard.