SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

I have evaluated and taught kids for years in areas in which kids are not wealthy at all and certainly not being privately tutored. As a group, Asian kids stand out for their intelligence.

Again, you are wrong. I live in an area with the highest rated public schools, heavily dominated. They rely HEAVILY on tutors at an early age. My mother was also an elementary school teacher for 40 years and my dad is a college professor. I'll take my own experiences and theirs over yours, thank you.

PP here. Well, then, you just do that! In the meantime, try getting out to areas with lower rated public schools, and see for yourself.

[Anonymous]

Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why does the majority think it's OK for the military service academies to still use race in admissions?

Justice Jackson knows why:

The Court has come to rest on the bottom-line conclusion that racial diversity in higher education is only worth potentially preserving insofar as it might be needed to prepare Black Americans and other underrepresented minorities for success in the bunker, not the boardroom (a particularly awkward place to land, in light of the history the majority
opts to ignore). It would be deeply unfortunate if the Equal Protection Clause actually demanded this perverse,
ahistorical, and counterproductive outcome. To impose this result in that Clause’s name when it requires no such thing,
and to thereby obstruct our collective progress toward the full realization of the Clause’s promise, is truly a tragedy
for us all.

She’s right!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

Too bad you didn’t get a tutor for American history.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

This is true. Their parents really push academics and excelling at activities to get them into top colleges. My child participates in fencing and the parents are unrelenting on achievement.

I can confirm that many of the Asian students at my DC's public ES in a UMC neighborhood in NOVA got tutoring starting around age 5. They were also enrolled from a young age in STEM-related enrichment activities both after school and in the summer. They were also more likely to play musical instruments beyond the early years of ES. They can't all be naturally more intelligent or musically gifted than other students. Unless you believe that some races are superior to other races at the genetic level.

Because their parents actually give a crap and value education. That's not privilege, that's having a parent who parents and makes every sacrifice possible for their children.

I know, it's shocking right? When parents parent, outcomes are usually pretty good.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Supreme Court DID NOT strike down Affirmative Action

Admission preferences for legacies, donors, employee families and special recommendations are still allowed

The Court struck down Affirmative Action For everyone except white people.

This will be a leopards eating faces moment for the litigants.

Again, this also had mainly impacted Asian folks, but you conveniently gloss over that fact. Pretty sad Harvard also ranked them so low on “personality” tests, but that’s another story altogether.

Having taught many college students, I understand this.

Wow again, the racism. Have you ever considered that Asians are perhaps just less outwardly expressive than folks from other cultures? Doesn't mean they don't have a personality. In fact, to Asians, the typical american can be described as obnoxious, dramatic. Don't equate that with personality.

This is not how I would characterize my Asians students at all. Nor would I characterize “typical American” as not Asian. Sorry, you’re calling me racist?

Ok, let's hear you actually say what you mean then. I'll prepare myself for the racist outflow.

Typical American is not asian. What is racist about that? America is majority white/black, Asians are like 5%. I am not going to deny that there is nothing distinct about that 5% vs the other 95% as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

Also recent immigrants and their kids are mostly well educated and privileged. We have rigged immigration for people with money, connections, and degrees. A lot of them arrive on student visas as grad students and work connections to get to stay. There are a billion poor and uneducated Asians but you won’t see them in the U.S.

Poor and uneducated does not equal a lack of intelligence.

Apparently the Supreme Court believes that it does mean that for Blacks and Hispanics. Poor and less educated don’t have SAT tutors and fencing classes and prep school advantages.

But my point above was that you are looking at privileged Asians in affluent communities and elite schools concluding that all Asians are brilliant students. The extreme disparities and class divisions in most Asian countries says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

72% of Asians hold college degrees. Tell me where the discrimination is?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

This is true. Their parents really push academics and excelling at activities to get them into top colleges. My child participates in fencing and the parents are unrelenting on achievement.

I can confirm that many of the Asian students at my DC's public ES in a UMC neighborhood in NOVA got tutoring starting around age 5. They were also enrolled from a young age in STEM-related enrichment activities both after school and in the summer. They were also more likely to play musical instruments beyond the early years of ES. They can't all be naturally more intelligent or musically gifted than other students. Unless you believe that some races are superior to other races at the genetic level.

Because their parents actually give a crap and value education. That's not privilege, that's having a parent who parents and makes every sacrifice possible for their children.

I know, it's shocking right? When parents parent, outcomes are usually pretty good.

Spot on!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow I did expect so much racism on this board. Why are you all against outlawing racial preference? Schools can still give preference for geographic location and socioeconomic status, so what is with the whining about life being over for blacks? Do you really think that poor white folks aren't disadvantaged and don't deserve a chance? Have you gone to Appalachians and see these communities? They all could use some bonus points, regardless of race.

The ruling will hurt rich URM and help poor whites. That's a good thing in my book. Rich URMs don't need help.

Did I miss something? Were the Appalachians slaves? Breaking out my tiny violin. As my uncle used to say, there is no reason that any white person in this country should be poor given the advantages they have had in life.

What does someone's ancestor they have never interacted with having been slaves have anything to do with their privilege today? Please actually spell this out. Those poors of other races have no equity in anything either, have broken families, have had no one go to college in their family. How is it different? And why does being white automatically mean they should be rich?? Unlike you, most people don't just bend over backwards and kowtow to someone based on their race. I am not white and I see no privilege enjoyed by the poor whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Racist DCUMers claiming Asians students are basically all the same and all have affluence and tutoring when there are massive differences between people of South East Asian decent vs those of North East and East Asian descent. SE Asians are way more impoverished, yet they get lumped in with the stupidly broad category of 'Asian'. It's almost as if a continent with 3+ billion people is not monolithic and descendants from those areas in our country have vastly different experiences.

Good for Asians for standing up for their rights to not be judged based on their race or ridiculously offensive racial stereotypes that are used to pre-emptiveky judge their character and personality by admissions staff. It's so insane we have to argue over this. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions, but affirmative action led us down the path of using race based discrimination and ridiculous personality stereotypes of Asians to help people reject them from.admisisons and jobs just so they could reach a desired quota.

I agree. I cannot believe the level of racism on this thread. What is wrong with judging each individual? What is so revolutionary about this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Supreme Court DID NOT strike down Affirmative Action

Admission preferences for legacies, donors, employee families and special recommendations are still allowed

The Court struck down Affirmative Action For everyone except white people.

This will be a leopards eating faces moment for the litigants.

Again, this also had mainly impacted Asian folks, but you conveniently gloss over that fact. Pretty sad Harvard also ranked them so low on “personality” tests, but that’s another story altogether.

Having taught many college students, I understand this.

I mean did you, tho, Anonymous poster?

I did, yes.

Let me guess, you ask everyone to address you as doctor, but you have a PhD in Early English Lit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with the ruling. The open racism
against Asian students boggled my mind. There has also been a large anti white male issue happening and now less white males even go to college than before.The differences in criteria have been unfair. You even see this in kids who grew up on same street and parents make same money but are various ethnicities. Like many things people push things until enough people say no. I do think the SAT will be gone soon because schools will look to find away around this. FWIW I always thought the SAT was also unfair because you need to spend so much money in tutoring and for every genius that doesn’t need it you have thousands more kids who need the tutoring to get over these crazy scores.

Many people don't want to admit that Asians, as a group, are very smart. Their intelligence shows up at a very ypung age in preschool and elementary school settings, long before private tutoring or SAT prep.

Umm, this is not true. I live in a predominantly Asian neighborhood - their kids receive TONS of tutoring from an early age. They are not "naturally" smart anymore than any other child.

Also recent immigrants and their kids are mostly well educated and privileged. We have rigged immigration for people with money, connections, and degrees. A lot of them arrive on student visas as grad students and work connections to get to stay. There are a billion poor and uneducated Asians but you won’t see them in the U.S.

Poor and uneducated does not equal a lack of intelligence.

Apparently the Supreme Court believes that it does mean that for Blacks and Hispanics. Poor and less educated don’t have SAT tutors and fencing classes and prep school advantages.

But my point above was that you are looking at privileged Asians in affluent communities and elite schools concluding that all Asians are brilliant students. The extreme disparities and class divisions in most Asian countries says otherwise.

And I will tell you again....I am not working in an affluent area. The kids I'm evaluating (Hispanic, Black, White, Asian, etc) are not affluent at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No more fake white “Latinos” whose European ancestors moved to South America getting admissions preferences over other similarly white students.

💯

No one games the system more than latinos!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:From Pew

In 2021, about a quarter of Latinos ages 25 to 29 (23%) had earned a bachelor’s degree, up from 14% in 2010. A similar share of Black Americans in this age group (26%) had obtained a bachelor’s degree, while 45% of White Americans and 72% of Asian Americans ages 25 to 29 had done so. Hispanic women ages 25 to 29 were more likely than Hispanic men in the same age range to have a college degree (27% vs. 20%) – a pattern also seen among other racial and ethnic groups.

No one is discriminating against Asians or whites. This court case is literally a hissy fit at not getting into the top schools that they feel entitled to.

This, and as a result, the threshold that Asians have at these schools will likely fall as more preference is given to the connected, the athletes, the donors etc.

I don't think this will turn out the way Asians and wealthy whites think it will turn out for them.

And you believe those groups secretly have an agenda?