Is Yale losing its luster?

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be HYP, but think it's more Harvard, Stanford, and then maybe MIT. Then below a step, Princeton and Yale..

I agree, but Princeton hasn't gone anywhere. Largest endowment per student in the world, still has top programs in math, physics, chemistry, etc. What it lacks for in graduate school research, it makes up for in extreme undergraduate focus and probably the top undergraduate experience in the US. So I'd say HPSM all stand together.

Most Princeton kids I know wish they'd gotten into Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be HYP, but think it's more Harvard, Stanford, and then maybe MIT. Then below a step, Princeton and Yale..

I agree, but Princeton hasn't gone anywhere. Largest endowment per student in the world, still has top programs in math, physics, chemistry, etc. What it lacks for in graduate school research, it makes up for in extreme undergraduate focus and probably the top undergraduate experience in the US. So I'd say HPSM all stand together.

Most Princeton kids I know wish they'd gotten into Harvard

Yale--Princeton--Harvard: same insecure kids just playing connections or skin color.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.

Super easy, as there are hundreds of excellent "non-woked" schools all around this beautiful planet we call Earth.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.

Super easy, as there are hundreds of excellent "non-woked" schools all around this beautiful planet we call Earth.

non woke...great...that sounds fantastic. Enjoy a half asleep education from the good old days I guess.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

I hear Towson, UMBC and Radford aren’t very woke. They’re not filled with connected rich kids either. Wouldn’t they fit the bill?

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be HYP, but think it's more Harvard, Stanford, and then maybe MIT. Then below a step, Princeton and Yale..

I agree, but Princeton hasn't gone anywhere. Largest endowment per student in the world, still has top programs in math, physics, chemistry, etc. What it lacks for in graduate school research, it makes up for in extreme undergraduate focus and probably the top undergraduate experience in the US. So I'd say HPSM all stand together.

Most Princeton kids I know wish they'd gotten into Harvard

All 2 of them? I'm sure they're having a great time on that beautiful campus.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.

Super easy, as there are hundreds of excellent "non-woked" schools all around this beautiful planet we call Earth.

I bet there might be 5 non-woke schools in the top 100 ranking.

[Anonymous]

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

I hear Towson, UMBC and Radford aren’t very woke. They’re not filled with connected rich kids either. Wouldn’t they fit the bill?

UMBC is ranked 137.
Radford is ranked 331-441
Towson is only regionally ranked in North at 33.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

Can anyone name a top 5 program at Yale outside of history, political science, and drama? That’s extremely weak for a school grouped with HPSM. Academically Yale is absolutely not up to par with the rest in that grouping. Outside of having a long history and a larger endowment, how is Yale better overall than say Columbia, UPENN, Duke for academic programs? HPSM on the other hand are clearly a step above the rest academically, Caltech too.

Well according to Niche they are top 5 in the following: Anthropology , sociology, architecture, art, biology, economics, English (6th), environmental science, film, foreign language, global affairs/international relations, history , math, philosophy, physics, psychology, religious studies. I’d say they’re holding their own with their peers.
Where they have not stood out in this STEM obsessed time we’re in is the hard sciences. But they’re pouring a lot of money into those departments right now. The kid I know who chose Yale over Caltech is super happy with his education and research opportunities. As to how they compare to Penn etc- who cares? These are all great schools. But they are only schools, not the promised land. What one does in the world with a degree is so much more important than the “ status” of the school and there are a million metrics for that anyway.

Niche isn’t the best for subject rankings. Yale is 100% not top 5 in math - that would be Princeton, Harvard, MIT, Berkeley, CMU for undergrad, with Yale not being particularly close. It’s also not Top 5 in biology - John’s Hopkins, Harvard, MIT, Duke, and Stanford are all better for biology. Putting Yale in top 5 for physics is also a joke when you have Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, and Stanford being light years ahead. Economics is closer but Yale still isn’t as good as Harvard, Princeton, MIT, UChicago, or Stanford for econ. I would believe the history/sociology type placements, the humanities are definitely Yale’s strength.

Yes, only the sources that confirm your beliefs are acceptable.

Do you really believe Yale is a top 5 school in physics? Their contributions in physics are far behind the 5 schools I mentioned, and many other schools come before it in physics quality as well.

I don't care. I don't play this game. But the idea that some source is categorically wrong in your view, just because you disagree with the findings based on your beliefs and opinions is absurd and simple.

So if the source says Yale is top 5 in physics, but it isn't top 5 in physics which you're admitting, then somehow you still think the source is good? The same source that says Yale is top 5 in math when it very clearly isn't? Now reread what you're saying and respond again

They believe the source on everything except for things on which they have knowledge. On those items, the source is wrong. The other items the source is correct.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.

Super easy, as there are hundreds of excellent "non-woked" schools all around this beautiful planet we call Earth.

I bet there might be 5 non-woke schools in the top 100 ranking.

I clearly see dozens in the top 100, probably even 50-60:
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be HYP, but think it's more Harvard, Stanford, and then maybe MIT. Then below a step, Princeton and Yale..

I agree, but Princeton hasn't gone anywhere. Largest endowment per student in the world, still has top programs in math, physics, chemistry, etc. What it lacks for in graduate school research, it makes up for in extreme undergraduate focus and probably the top undergraduate experience in the US. So I'd say HPSM all stand together.

Most Princeton kids I know wish they'd gotten into Harvard

And most Northwestern, Columbia and Emory kids wish they’d gotten into HYPSM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It used to be HYP, but think it's more Harvard, Stanford, and then maybe MIT. Then below a step, Princeton and Yale..

I agree, but Princeton hasn't gone anywhere. Largest endowment per student in the world, still has top programs in math, physics, chemistry, etc. What it lacks for in graduate school research, it makes up for in extreme undergraduate focus and probably the top undergraduate experience in the US. So I'd say HPSM all stand together.

Most Princeton kids I know wish they'd gotten into Harvard

Not the ones I know. They often save Harvard for later.

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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.

The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.

Super easy, as there are hundreds of excellent "non-woked" schools all around this beautiful planet we call Earth.

I bet there might be 5 non-woke schools in the top 100 ranking.

I clearly see dozens in the top 100, probably even 50-60:
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking

Name the 60 non-woke schools from your obscure world ranking.

Should we care as much about woke schools outside the US?