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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote] Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.[/quote]

My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale.  Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction.  Didn’t want to live in CA.  Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.[/quote]

My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.[/quote]

[b]The main thing is that Yale has fallen behind in STEM. [/b]Most kids choosing Yale over any combination of HPSM are humanities kids, which is great but the difference is that HPSM are exceptional in essentially all fields (believe it or not MIT has top economics, psychology, sociology, and political science programs). And if we're doing anecdotes, I know 2 kids who turned down Yale for Duke (same $$ at both), what does that mean then? Anecdotes can't be used to make the point.[/quote]

Not a big surprise there. Wokes take over, bye bye math, science and facts.[/quote]

Wokes have taken over all schools not just in the Ivy League. That is a pandemic.[/quote]

Go through life without a "woke" college education, that will show em.[/quote]

Super easy, as there are hundreds of excellent "non-woked" schools all around this beautiful planet we call Earth.[/quote]

I bet there might be 5 non-woke schools in the top 100 ranking.[/quote]

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