Is Yale losing its luster?

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Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:What luster? It's another overpriced school in a bad city with questionable admission practices...unless you are rankings/prestige obsessed or can write checks for 320k it's not worth it.


Please share examples of schools:
*that are well-priced
*in a good city
*with great admission practices


UMass Boston
Catholic U with merit
University of Central Florida
UMCP (easy train to DC)
UW-Seattle if you get WA residency
Pitt with merit
CUNY schools



That's a good start.

Plus many more in Canada, the UK and the EU.

Some PPs are just lazy.


Also:

VCU
Drexel Engineering (only with significant merit)
UCSD
University of Illinois-Chicago
University of Houston


DCUM has a National audience
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:What luster? It's another overpriced school in a bad city with questionable admission practices...unless you are rankings/prestige obsessed or can write checks for 320k it's not worth it.


Please share examples of schools:
*that are well-priced
*in a good city
*with great admission practices


UMass Boston
Catholic U with merit
University of Central Florida
UMCP (easy train to DC)
UW-Seattle if you get WA residency
Pitt with merit
CUNY schools


Please note that Harvard, Yale & Princeton have rather robust need-based tuition reduction programs.

The universities you have highlighted are public [except Catholic U] unlike the Ivy League (except for Cornell which has some public colleges):

1) UMass Boston
a) costs about $160,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of Boston
c) has excellent admission practices

2) University of Central Florida
a) which is about $140,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of Orlando
c) has excellent admission practices

3) UMCP
a) which is over $200,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of College Park
c) has excellent admission practices [unless you are in-state applicant]

4) CUNY
a) which is about $140,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of New York
c) has excellent admission practices

5) Pitt
a) which is about $200,000 over 4 years out-of-state [before merit scholarship considerations]
b) in the great city of Pittsburg
c) has excellent admission practices

6) Catholic U
a) which is about $280,000 over 4 years out-of-state [before merit scholarship considerations]
b) in the great city of Washington
c) has excellent admission practices

Not exactly affordable options.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What luster? It's another overpriced school in a bad city with questionable admission practices...unless you are rankings/prestige obsessed or can write checks for 320k it's not worth it.


Please share examples of schools:
*that are well-priced
*in a good city
*with great admission practices


UMass Boston
Catholic U with merit
University of Central Florida
UMCP (easy train to DC)
UW-Seattle if you get WA residency
Pitt with merit
CUNY schools


Please note that Harvard, Yale & Princeton have rather robust need-based tuition reduction programs.

The universities you have highlighted are public [except Catholic U] unlike the Ivy League (except for Cornell which has some public colleges):

1) UMass Boston
a) costs about $160,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of Boston
c) has excellent admission practices

2) University of Central Florida
a) which is about $140,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of Orlando
c) has excellent admission practices

3) UMCP
a) which is over $200,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of College Park
c) has excellent admission practices [unless you are in-state applicant]

4) CUNY
a) which is about $140,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of New York
c) has excellent admission practices

5) Pitt
a) which is about $200,000 over 4 years out-of-state [before merit scholarship considerations]
b) in the great city of Pittsburg
c) has excellent admission practices

6) Catholic U
a) which is about $280,000 over 4 years out-of-state [before merit scholarship considerations]
b) in the great city of Washington
c) has excellent admission practices

Not exactly affordable options.




There’s always the option of doing a gap year or two to establish residency in a specific place, doing ROTC or taking the AA -> BA route if you’re dead set on going to a certain kind of school.


Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What luster? It's another overpriced school in a bad city with questionable admission practices...unless you are rankings/prestige obsessed or can write checks for 320k it's not worth it.


Please share examples of schools:
*that are well-priced
*in a good city
*with great admission practices


UMass Boston
Catholic U with merit
University of Central Florida
UMCP (easy train to DC)
UW-Seattle if you get WA residency
Pitt with merit
CUNY schools


Please note that Harvard, Yale & Princeton have rather robust need-based tuition reduction programs.

The universities you have highlighted are public [except Catholic U] unlike the Ivy League (except for Cornell which has some public colleges):

1) UMass Boston
a) costs about $160,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of Boston
c) has excellent admission practices

2) University of Central Florida
a) which is about $140,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of Orlando
c) has excellent admission practices

3) UMCP
a) which is over $200,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of College Park
c) has excellent admission practices [unless you are in-state applicant]

4) CUNY
a) which is about $140,000 over 4 years out-of-state
b) in the great city of New York
c) has excellent admission practices

5) Pitt
a) which is about $200,000 over 4 years out-of-state [before merit scholarship considerations]
b) in the great city of Pittsburg
c) has excellent admission practices

6) Catholic U
a) which is about $280,000 over 4 years out-of-state [before merit scholarship considerations]
b) in the great city of Washington
c) has excellent admission practices

Not exactly affordable options.



UMass Boston, UCF and others I’m sure are VERY generous with AP, IB & CLEP credit. Could graduate a year early.
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Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.


Source?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.


Source?



University data.

Can do some research dimwit?
Anonymous
The subject line of this thread is unreal. Yale has amazing name recognition, massive amounts of money, and can pick and choose among the best of the best globally.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.


Source?



University data.

Can do some research dimwit?


Why don’t you link it so we can see it? I’d be curious to see admit data broken out along those lines.

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.


Source?



University data.

Can do some research dimwit?


Why don’t you link it so we can see it? I’d be curious to see admit data broken out along those lines.




It’s called the Harvard lawsuit before scotus
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2020/
That isn't always true, some schools have lower acceptance rates for black students. Like Emory and Georgetown.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2020/
That isn't always true, some schools have lower acceptance rates for black students. Like Emory and Georgetown.


I see now why PP didn’t want to post the data. It contradicts the claim. Acceptance rates appear to be going down not up. From the article:

At nine of the 12 universities that supplied acceptance rate data to JBHE, the Black student acceptance rate was higher than the acceptance rate for all students. In the past, the differences in acceptance rates at some universities were quite large. But now, the differences are usually very narrow. Again, this may reflect a concern over the threat of litigation if there is a perception that a particular racial or ethnic group is receiving an edge in the admissions process.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.

https://www.jbhe.com/2021/01/black-first-year-students-at-the-nations-leading-research-universities-2020/
That isn't always true, some schools have lower acceptance rates for black students. Like Emory and Georgetown.


I see now why PP didn’t want to post the data. It contradicts the claim. Acceptance rates appear to be going down not up. From the article:

At nine of the 12 universities that supplied acceptance rate data to JBHE, the Black student acceptance rate was higher than the acceptance rate for all students. In the past, the differences in acceptance rates at some universities were quite large. But now, the differences are usually very narrow. Again, this may reflect a concern over the threat of litigation if there is a perception that a particular racial or ethnic group is receiving an edge in the admissions process.

This in fact I've heard it easier to get into Emory if your a white male, than any other demographics. However the discrepancy between acceptance rates between Black and White students at LACs is large.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think with the varsity blues scandal and the Harvard sat stats per race that were released, a lot of the general public is starting to realize that ivies don’t have the best and brightest, but a lot of “hooked” kids.


Yale has had hooked kids for a long time, like other Ivies, but it's the academic qualifications of the unhooked kids that has taken a nose dive over the past 20 years.

There was a period when the Ivies embraced the idea of a meritocracy, and the best and the brightest both gravitated towards and typically ended up at Ivies. Then Yale and its peers pivoted towards promoting diversity over merit.


You are nuts. These kids are intimidating. Half of them could probably go directly into impressive jobs tomorrow and do well.


Yes, the kids who attended 20 years go were intimidating. Definitely not so today.


LOL 20 years ago they were your peers or close to it. Now theyre just kids.


Are you kidding me? I went to Yale 20+ years ago and I don't think I would get in today. Acceptance rates are way down.



For whites and Asians.

Way up for blacks.



My apologies, need to correct the above.


Way down for: Unhooked whites and Asians.

Way up for: Blacks and athletes.


Not to mention anyone with a vague connection to Latin America. (DC's white friend with a white European grandma who spent her childhood in Argentina and checked the Latino box )
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Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.


My own kid chose between HYP (in at all) and chose Yale. Hated H because it feels like a tourist attraction. Didn’t want to live in CA. Two friends rejected H/P for Yale as well. So, not sure what evidence supports your claim that “most students with choice” would take others besides Yale. In my world, that just isn’t true.


My child was admitted to both Yale and Harvard and chose Yale over Harvard. It was a very close call. Some kids choose Yale, others Stanford or Harvard or Princeton or MIT. All incredible choices each with a different flavor. HYPSM are still the standard bearers.


Yep. I chose Yale over Stanford. A friend was waitlisted at Yale and got into Harvard. Chose Yale when she got in off the waitlist. I'm sure others chose Harvard and Stanford over Yale. These schools are all excellent. It's also about the fit, which is different for each student.


My college roommate at Princeton turned down Harvard for Princeton, and didn't apply to Yale. Yes, different fits for different students.


https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Yale+University&with=Harvard+University

69% choose Harvard, and 31% choose Yale
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