Better protocols needed to account for classified documents handled by political officials et Al …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

I'm as Dem as they come and not making any excuses. I want a full investigation, consequences and reform.

And it is nonetheless true that hoarding docs, refusing to give them back, ignoring a subpeona etc. is much more egregious. If Biden does those things, LOCK HIM UP. If Hunter had access to the docs? BOTH of them should receive the appropriate penalty under the law.

See how easy that is to say? Because unlike you I don't worship a flawed human being who is temporarily in charge of our exec branch. I'm not going to compromise my standards - and the nation's well being - for one guy.

Trump defenders, where are you? Respond to the bolded.

You realize these are documents from when he was VP right? Then a private citizen for 4 years. The VP has zero authorization to have these.

Presidential records act protects Trump. VP Biden did criminal acts. Trump wins again. He always ends up right about everything .

Nope. Knowledge and intent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This just won trump the election

Trump no longer leads polls for the R primary. He lost to Biden, a man who campaigned from his basement and often refused to articulate a position on basic political issues.

Which poll is that? One I saw last week showed Trump with a double-digit lead over DeSantis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This just won trump the election

Trump no longer leads polls for the R primary. He lost to Biden, a man who campaigned from his basement and often refused to articulate a position on basic political issues.

Can’t wait for more to come out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This just won trump the election

Trump no longer leads polls for the R primary. He lost to Biden, a man who campaigned from his basement and often refused to articulate a position on basic political issues.

Can’t wait for more to come out.

I'm not seeing it. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html#!

What fictitious polls is the PP referring to?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

I'm as Dem as they come and not making any excuses. I want a full investigation, consequences and reform.

And it is nonetheless true that hoarding docs, refusing to give them back, ignoring a subpeona etc. is much more egregious. If Biden does those things, LOCK HIM UP. If Hunter had access to the docs? BOTH of them should receive the appropriate penalty under the law.

See how easy that is to say? Because unlike you I don't worship a flawed human being who is temporarily in charge of our exec branch. I'm not going to compromise my standards - and the nation's well being - for one guy.

Trumps were actually more secure, in a locked room, with secret service people around.

And they were setting up a date/time to give them back securely but FBI raided anyway. Better optics for the Dems

And that return date was going to coincide with Trumps big beautiful healthcare plan!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The excuses now that the shoe is on the other foot are hilarious. All kinds of twisting to make it no big deal now.

I'm as Dem as they come and not making any excuses. I want a full investigation, consequences and reform.

And it is nonetheless true that hoarding docs, refusing to give them back, ignoring a subpeona etc. is much more egregious. If Biden does those things, LOCK HIM UP. If Hunter had access to the docs? BOTH of them should receive the appropriate penalty under the law.

See how easy that is to say? Because unlike you I don't worship a flawed human being who is temporarily in charge of our exec branch. I'm not going to compromise my standards - and the nation's well being - for one guy.

Trump defenders, where are you? Respond to the bolded.

I don’t see people defending Trump. This is a document management / control problem. Just because the cases have their own nuances, it’s not like if one is worse we should ignore the other. We are talking national security here. The fact that any docs are not in officially approved secure locations and that people forgot anyone had them.

Hurrah that one came forward. The other one refused to return them but that is yet another matter.

[Anonymous]

Some of you need help with the law.

You see, Biden’s cooperation, disclosure, blah blah blah does NOT change the fact that the mere taking of classified documents is a CRIME.

The *taking* is the crime. Biden committed that crime. Trump committed that crime.

Now, DOJ might choose to charge one and not the other for political reasons or out of a belief one is more culpable than the other. However, that does NOT change the fact that BOTH Biden AND Trump committed crimes by taking classified documents.

Also, one doesn’t inadvertently just wander off with classified information. It isn’t kept mingled with the instruction manual for the printer and copies of the office fire safety plan. BOTH took classified documents on purpose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of you need help with the law.

You see, Biden’s cooperation, disclosure, blah blah blah does NOT change the fact that the mere taking of classified documents is a CRIME.

The *taking* is the crime. Biden committed that crime. Trump committed that crime.

Now, DOJ might choose to charge one and not the other for political reasons or out of a belief one is more culpable than the other. However, that does NOT change the fact that BOTH Biden AND Trump committed crimes by taking classified documents.

Also, one doesn’t inadvertently just wander off with classified information. It isn’t kept mingled with the instruction manual for the printer and copies of the office fire safety plan. BOTH took classified documents on purpose.

You got a citation for that crime, sport? The one that requires no knowledge or intent?

[Anonymous]

If staffers packed Biden's VP office up and accidentally included a few classified pages, without Biden being specifically aware of the contents of what was packed, then how is it a Biden crime?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you need help with the law.

You see, Biden’s cooperation, disclosure, blah blah blah does NOT change the fact that the mere taking of classified documents is a CRIME.

The *taking* is the crime. Biden committed that crime. Trump committed that crime.

Now, DOJ might choose to charge one and not the other for political reasons or out of a belief one is more culpable than the other. However, that does NOT change the fact that BOTH Biden AND Trump committed crimes by taking classified documents.

Also, one doesn’t inadvertently just wander off with classified information. It isn’t kept mingled with the instruction manual for the printer and copies of the office fire safety plan. BOTH took classified documents on purpose.

You got a citation for that crime, sport? The one that requires no knowledge or intent?

+1 PP is full of shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you need help with the law.

You see, Biden’s cooperation, disclosure, blah blah blah does NOT change the fact that the mere taking of classified documents is a CRIME.

The *taking* is the crime. Biden committed that crime. Trump committed that crime.

Now, DOJ might choose to charge one and not the other for political reasons or out of a belief one is more culpable than the other. However, that does NOT change the fact that BOTH Biden AND Trump committed crimes by taking classified documents.

Also, one doesn’t inadvertently just wander off with classified information. It isn’t kept mingled with the instruction manual for the printer and copies of the office fire safety plan. BOTH took classified documents on purpose.

You got a citation for that crime, sport? The one that requires no knowledge or intent?

Try reading the last line of my post, “sport.” The knowledge required is regarding removal — i.e., knowingly removing the documents from where they are properly stored without requisite authority. That is established here based on both presidents’ own statements. I am a lawyer, but one doesn’t need to be in order to Google statutes. Stop talking out of turn and making up provisions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If staffers packed Biden's VP office up and accidentally included a few classified pages, without Biden being specifically aware of the contents of what was packed, then how is it a Biden crime?

That’s not what Biden said, honey. Your made up scenario is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Why don’t more Americans understand the basics of statutes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t more Americans understand the basics of statutes?

I’m the PP pointing out that the statute criminalizes the very act of knowing removal without authority. Most of the goons in this thread are partisan to the core and wouldn’t care if Biden traded secrets to North Korea. If they vote D, then everything Ds do is justifiable. If they vote R, then everything Rs do is reasonable. It’s troglodyte-level tribalism all day every day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If staffers packed Biden's VP office up and accidentally included a few classified pages, without Biden being specifically aware of the contents of what was packed, then how is it a Biden crime?

That’s not what Biden said, honey. Your made up scenario is irrelevant.

DP. What statement are you talking about?