Covid permanently harms immune system, repeat infections increase damage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Sorry, just because somebody else is an a-hole doesn't mean you're not one. You think you care about other people but it's obvious you're just someone who bashes other people to build yourself up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

The article posted in the start of this thread is based on a situation update from last summer. Most of the update is warning about the dangers of BA.4 and BA.5. You may remember the thread from that time entitled “ BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country” https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1069156.page

So what actually happened with BA.5? Very little. This is just one of many examples of how alarming sounding warnings have not panned out since we all acquired immunity in one way or another. That’s why most of us have stopped taking it seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

People are dropping them because they're unpleasant and because there's no reason to think the situation is ever going to change such that we can take them off. When I needed to wear a mask for a year while we developed and deployed vaccines, I did that. I'm not going to wear a mask every time I'm around other people for the rest of my life though and that's what the situation looks like right now. Either I commit to wearing a mask forever or I drop it and deal with the consequences. That's not because I'm "tired of them" it's because the more than minor inconvenience of wearing one compounded over the course of every day for the rest of my life is actually a pretty major problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

Better to delay as long as possible, or at least until better vaccines/treatments are available and more research on longterm effects (because that is not looking good). But you do you, we will know eventually how this plays out.

[Anonymous]

I just don’t get PP’s black and white thinking. Either she wears masks for the rest of her life around her friends or she drops them entirely? I wear a mask if I’m in a crowded indoor location where I’m not taking or exercising. It decreases my risk and is almost no burden to me.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

Better to delay as long as possible, or at least until better vaccines/treatments are available and more research on longterm effects (because that is not looking good). But you do you, we will know eventually how this plays out.

DP here. Maybe. I don't know. I'm thinking that all of this isn't going to matter much in the long run. Get the vaccine and live your life, I guess. My company's office in China was 100% infected over our Christmas break. Over 95% of our Chinese clients have COVID. I'm not exaggerating. They succeeded in delaying the spread but not in mitigating it to any degree.

But, this all remains an individual decision and please go forth with what is best for your family.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although still within the normal range (Figure 1A).



Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%. No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups (p = NS) (Figure 3A).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although still within the normal range (Figure 1A).



Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%. No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups (p = NS) (Figure 3A).

The three follow up groups are not the controls, which isn't good news from my perspective if we are talking about significant reductions in LV longitudinal strain. We need more research on this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although still within the normal range (Figure 1A).



Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%. No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups (p = NS) (Figure 3A).

The three follow up groups are not the controls, which isn't good news from my perspective if we are talking about significant reductions in LV longitudinal strain. We need more research on this.

We will always "need more research". There will always be uncertainty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although still within the normal range (Figure 1A).



Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%. No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups (p = NS) (Figure 3A).

The three follow up groups are not the controls, which isn't good news from my perspective if we are talking about significant reductions in LV longitudinal strain. We need more research on this.

We will always "need more research". There will always be uncertainty.

Yes, but there are enough red flags for some of us that living like it’s 2019 with isn’t wise. My MIL had heart failure that started with LV issues. I would never want any significant reductions for my child, even if still in normal range, in cardiac matters. Hopefully omicron does not cause the same reductions, since that is when most kids got infected.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although still within the normal range (Figure 1A).



Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%. No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups (p = NS) (Figure 3A).

The three follow up groups are not the controls, which isn't good news from my perspective if we are talking about significant reductions in LV longitudinal strain. We need more research on this.

We will always "need more research". There will always be uncertainty.

Yes, but there are enough red flags for some of us that living like it’s 2019 with isn’t wise. My MIL had heart failure that started with LV issues. I would never want any significant reductions for my child, even if still in normal range, in cardiac matters. Hopefully omicron does not cause the same reductions, since that is when most kids got infected.

That's because you believe pandemic restrictions have no real harms. And maybe they don't for you, I don't know.

We've had COVID twice, once from a daycare outbreak and once from an asymptomatic HCW family member we were staying with. Wearing masks outside the home would not have prevented either infection. We also have a young child.who can't mask properly (she was "masking" when she got COVID) who really needs all the social exposure she can get, whose behavior changes dramatically when she wears mask improperly. So some of us have other considerations (which will be dismissed as "making it about mental health" by some of you). So no, an observational study about non clinically significant changes is not going to change my behavior. You do you, I'll do me, you'll judge and feel superior and I'll ignore your self-righteous ass.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference. Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns. Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to. This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows). People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever. If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease. Our family has done what we can. Good luck with yours.

Truth. We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them. I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable. Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.

DP. I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California. The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although still within the normal range (Figure 1A).



Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%. No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups (p = NS) (Figure 3A).

The three follow up groups are not the controls, which isn't good news from my perspective if we are talking about significant reductions in LV longitudinal strain. We need more research on this.

We will always "need more research". There will always be uncertainty.

Yes, but there are enough red flags for some of us that living like it’s 2019 with isn’t wise. My MIL had heart failure that started with LV issues. I would never want any significant reductions for my child, even if still in normal range, in cardiac matters. Hopefully omicron does not cause the same reductions, since that is when most kids got infected.

That's because you believe pandemic restrictions have no real harms. And maybe they don't for you, I don't know.

We've had COVID twice, once from a daycare outbreak and once from an asymptomatic HCW family member we were staying with. Wearing masks outside the home would not have prevented either infection. We also have a young child.who can't mask properly (she was "masking" when she got COVID) who really needs all the social exposure she can get, whose behavior changes dramatically when she wears mask improperly. So some of us have other considerations (which will be dismissed as "making it about mental health" by some of you). So no, an observational study about non clinically significant changes is not going to change my behavior. You do you, I'll do me, you'll judge and feel superior and I'll ignore your self-righteous ass.

Mature response. I definitely think pandemic restrictions have costs, and I was a different poster responding as noted above. I don’t think anybody should be forced to mask right now, but I do it because of the precautionary principle. I don’t think I’m better than people who don’t mask. I think it would be healthy if you took a step back and separated out people being self-righteous about masks versus possible long-term issues with children and Covid. I don’t think anyone of us wants harm on children, and politicizing the issue so as to downplay possible research isn’t helpful either.