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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one has bothered to respond whether it was a-okay for the PP to ask if another PP was on the spectrum because they weren't having any problems communicating with masks or noticing some huge difference.  Guess that was fine with you all, of course.

re my family's mask wearing, they are pretty outspoken and have definite opinions on mask wearing for public safety, so yeah, I know where they stand.

I don't think most people eschewing masks are experiencing such anxiety over it that they need to not wear them out of mental health concerns.  Many people are just choosing not to wear them because they're tired of them and it's easier for them not to.  This is true despite more and more information coming out that even mild cases of covid can cause long lasting harm to the immunity system (as the study that originated this thread shows).  People are dropping basic safety measures out of convenience or politics or whatever.  If those are your choices, you're certainly allowed to make them, and you can mock me all you want for taking basic, rational precautions for my family and doing what we can not to catch and spread a debilitating, life-threatening disease.  Our family has done what we can.  Good luck with yours.[/quote]

Truth.  We are doing all we can to prevent getting Covid too, I cannot understand those who don't, but we will come out ahead in the long game, our kids will not have cognitive delays from multiple covid infections and we won't be disabled in the nursing home from them.  I can't believe how many people are apparently ok with this.[/quote]

But you do know that you're just delaying the inevitable.  Covid is not going away, it will continue to circulate and have seasonal surges, like other common viruses.

Of course you and your family can do whatever you feel necessary, but I don't think I'd set myself and my kids up to think that a mild case of covid next January, and one the following year, and so on, is going to lead to cognitive delays.  [/quote]

DP.  I think many places are moving in the right direction about cleaning the air - France, Belgium, California.  The situation isn't static, and for our family, the long we delay infection, the more time for advanced vaccines and solid air quality improvements to happen.

This Italian study just came out today:

Conclusions: Our study demonstrated for the first time the persistence of LV myocardial deformation abnormalities in previously healthy children with an asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic (WHO stages 0 or 1) COVID-19 course after an average follow-up of 148 ± 68 days. A more significant involvement was found in children affected during the second wave. These findings imply that subclinical LV dysfunction may also be a typical characteristic of COVID-19 infection in children and are concerning given the predictive value of LV longitudinal strain in the general population.

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And then when you actually read the study…

Global longitudinal strain (post-COVID-19: −20.5 ± 2.9%; CTRL: −21.8 ± 1.7%; p < 0.001) was significantly reduced in children belonging to the post-COVID-19 group compared to controls, although [b]still within the normal range[/b] (Figure 1A).

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Thirty-seven post-COVID-19 children reached a follow-up of >240 days since the acute onset of the disease, with a mean GLS of −20.1 ± 2.8%. Overall, 28 children were examined at a follow-up of 180–240 days with a mean GLS of −20.6 ± 4.4%, and the remaining 92 children were seen before 180 days of follow-up, with a GLS of −20.7 ± 2.4%.[b] No significant differences were seen among those three follow-up groups[/b] (p = NS) (Figure 3A).
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The three follow up groups are not the controls, which isn't good news from my perspective if we are talking about significant reductions in LV longitudinal strain.  We need more research on this.[/quote]

We will always "need more research". There will always be uncertainty. [/quote]

Yes, but there are enough red flags for some of us that living like it’s 2019 with isn’t wise.  My MIL had heart failure that started with LV issues.  I would never want any significant reductions for my child, even if still in normal range, in cardiac matters.  Hopefully omicron does not cause the same reductions, since that is when most kids got infected.  [/quote]

That's because you believe pandemic restrictions have no real harms. And maybe they don't for you, I don't know.

We've had COVID twice, once from a daycare outbreak and once from an asymptomatic HCW family member we were staying with. Wearing masks outside the home would not have prevented either infection. We also have a young child.who can't mask properly (she was "masking" when she got COVID) who really needs all the social exposure she can get, whose behavior changes dramatically when she wears mask improperly. So some of us have other considerations (which will be dismissed as "making it about mental health" by some of you). So no, an observational study about non clinically significant changes is not going to change my behavior. You do you, I'll do me, you'll judge and feel superior and I'll ignore your self-righteous ass.[/quote]

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