Covid permanently harms immune system, repeat infections increase damage

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully we can get here soon ourselves

That will never happen in the land of "personal responsibility" where daycares can barely meet operating costs as it is. Don't get me wrong, I think a similar measure would be GREAT but it would require $$ and where would the money come from. The Covid dollars for schools should have been directed for this rather than letting school districts spend it however they wanted, often on things not even related to the pandemic.

Yes, those dollars should definitely have been targeted towards improving air quality in schools.

This study just came out and it greatly explains a compounding factor in Bergamo Italy in early 2020. While that population was definitely much older, the death rate was insanely high. I definitely think PM 2.5 can also explain a bit of the disparity in Covid death rates among people of color in the US given that they often live closer to highways or other polluting areas.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.11.16.22282100v1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't remember seeing anyone on this thread argue that parents should be forced to mask a young child who has difficulty with and emotional issues connected to masking.

Parents are allowed to make whatever choices they want at this point. Good luck.

No, they just said that child shouldn’t be allowed to go out in public.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t get PP’s black and white thinking. Either she wears masks for the rest of her life around her friends or she drops them entirely? I wear a mask if I’m in a crowded indoor location where I’m not taking or exercising. It decreases my risk and is almost no burden to me.

Yes, I don't understand this either. It's either decide to wear masks now and forever and ever amen or drop them entirely? Science progresses. Circumstances change. I think people are creating this strawman to make their choice of ignoring the health risks to their families seem more logical. Given the huge amount of progress made on covid over the last 2 years, it's not logical to think covid safety won't further progress for the next 40 years, but that's what folks are telling themselves to make dropping safeguards seem like a balanced choice. It isn't fact based or truthful, but it's convenient.

Same with the argument that everyone will get covid eventually so why bother with masks. High quality masks have been proven to work. People who don't wear them will on the whole get covid more frequently and/or get exposed to higher more debilitating doses of it when they do, and will spin the long covid and decreased immunity lotteries every time. That's why it's reasonable to bother, on the whole, and many people don't find it very difficult. But hey, we all have to make and live with our own choices.

Yeah, just like the flu. Do you remember what it was like before we had a cure for influenza?

Oh wait…

But don’t worry— it’s not masking forever. Just for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't remember seeing anyone on this thread argue that parents should be forced to mask a young child who has difficulty with and emotional issues connected to masking.

Parents are allowed to make whatever choices they want at this point. Good luck.

I don't recall any of the pro-maskers here acknowledging that masks can have real effects on people's mental health. In fact, they ridiculed that notion.

I think lots of us in the middle ground recognize that. It’s one reason why I don’t wear masks when gathering with friends or family (unless I’m feeling under the weather or had an exposure) and why I’m glad my kids teachers are now mostly unmasked. But the vast majority of people have little to no mental health impact from wearing masks in a darkened theater, on metro while scrolling their phone, while reading a book on an airplane, shopping at target, etc. I wear my mask pretty consistently for those events and it seems to be working pretty well. We’ve been to disney, New Orleans, spent 10 hours sitting in an airport terminal last week, take metro daily — and no covid!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't remember seeing anyone on this thread argue that parents should be forced to mask a young child who has difficulty with and emotional issues connected to masking.

Parents are allowed to make whatever choices they want at this point. Good luck.

I don't recall any of the pro-maskers here acknowledging that masks can have real effects on people's mental health. In fact, they ridiculed that notion.

I think lots of us in the middle ground recognize that. It’s one reason why I don’t wear masks when gathering with friends or family (unless I’m feeling under the weather or had an exposure) and why I’m glad my kids teachers are now mostly unmasked. But the vast majority of people have little to no mental health impact from wearing masks in a darkened theater, on metro while scrolling their phone, while reading a book on an airplane, shopping at target, etc. I wear my mask pretty consistently for those events and it seems to be working pretty well. We’ve been to disney, New Orleans, spent 10 hours sitting in an airport terminal last week, take metro daily — and no covid!

I've never caught COVID from any of those things either yet I have often not worn a mask during those activities. You sound incredibly stupid.

[Anonymous]

People need something to freak out about and Covid is it. Seriously people, there are some things you cannot control. I am in the category of not a masker. My family and I have never gotten Covid. I know those who take every precaution and wouldn't you know it, they have had repeat Covid. Go figure. You have to live your life. I mean washing your hands doesn't really prevent you from getting sick you'd have to wash it every 5 min according to the logic of being clean enough to not get sick. You wash hands to make you feel better that you somehow were able to control germs to ensure your safety from sickness. In actuality you can't possibly know when or how germs on your hands may affect your health. It certainly helps to wash to be clean but I'm not sure clean is same as ensuring your health. It's like masking - it probably feels good to know you are protected but ultimately you have no idea when you need protection. Could be 100% even when you're sleeping do you gonna wear a mask every second of your life? You do what you can and trust if it's not your time to get sick, you'll be OK. Ultimately it's out of your 100% control so freak about some other stuff too!

[Anonymous]

In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It’s not concerning. It is [mildly] good news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It’s not concerning. It is [mildly] good news.

Please explain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It’s not concerning. It is [mildly] good news.

Please explain.

It suggests longer-term mucosal immunity may be possible (and seems to be happening to some degree).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It’s not concerning. It is [mildly] good news.

Please explain.

It suggests longer-term mucosal immunity may be possible (and seems to be happening to some degree).

Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It seems that tonsils and adenoids may contribute to immunity/protection from covid. Problem is, these glands were studied *after they were excised from kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It seems that tonsils and adenoids may contribute to immunity/protection from covid. Problem is, these glands were studied *after they were excised from kids.

Wow, you are making this all sound so ominous. I am going to go hide in my closet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the cardiac studies, we also learned last month about persistence in the tonsils. What this all portends for future health remains to be seen ‘Our results provide evidence for persistent tissue-specific immunity to SARS-CoV-2 in upper respiratory tract of children after infection’

I'm so confused as to why this study should be concerning to anyone.

It seems that tonsils and adenoids may contribute to immunity/protection from covid. Problem is, these glands were studied *after they were excised from kids.

Why is that a problem? How would you expect them to get obtain and study tissue samples?