Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Look up Redwood Materials startup that is developing battery recycling technology. They raised $800M to date, battery recycling will be big business.

Then why not wait until they actually can be recycled to switch? So many startups fail. Down the road they might be recycled, but that takes resources too, so the recycling has to outweigh the output required to recycle. We just aren't close to there yet. It's the same reason ethanol fuel failed -- it turns out that it takes so much to produce it wasn't environmentally friendly due to efficiency failures.

Personally I think developing much more efficient hybrids would be far superior. No one in their right mind wants to road trip a fully electric car, and flying is so bad for the environment. Having the gasoline backup just makes sense.

Why wait if it's not a problem now, and won't be in the future because it will be solved by the time batterries reach their life end? With the used car market those batteries will likely be on the road for 15-20 years more. Why aren't you waiting on buying a gas car until we solve global warming? Because it's not a problem now.

LOL at the ethanol comparison which is entirely government driven, can you name a $1B ethanol startup? Sure some startups fail, but when this amount of smart money is poured to jump start an entire industry there will be winners.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Look up Redwood Materials startup that is developing battery recycling technology. They raised $800M to date, battery recycling will be big business.

Then why not wait until they actually can be recycled to switch? So many startups fail. Down the road they might be recycled, but that takes resources too, so the recycling has to outweigh the output required to recycle. We just aren't close to there yet. It's the same reason ethanol fuel failed -- it turns out that it takes so much to produce it wasn't environmentally friendly due to efficiency failures.

Personally I think developing much more efficient hybrids would be far superior. No one in their right mind wants to road trip a fully electric car, and flying is so bad for the environment. Having the gasoline backup just makes sense.

Yet, millions of people take road trips in their fully electric cars all the time. And surprize! There's even charging infrastructure all over the coutry to support those road trips.

So flying is bad for the environment, but gas cars are fine? OK... sure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

How often do you just drive 500 miles straight without going home? If you have private parking, you can plug your car in at home in less time than it takes to fill it up at a gas station. Time to charge and overall range are really only an issue for a road trip.

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

I'm not claiming the gas engine's demise is imminent -- though I'd like it to be. I just wonder why you'd spend more money on a high-end gas car now than it costs to buy an electric one.

Because I can fuel up a gas car in 2-3 minutes and drive 500 miles. When an electric car can do that, I’m interested.

Why do you anti electric car people exaggerate so much? For one, few cars go 500 miles. And it takes more like 20 minutes all-in to pull over and gas up a full tank. And stop pretending you take all these interstate trips to Florida and Maine every week.

Funny how people complaining about the inconvenience of charging electric cars on road trips are never the electric car owners.

Of course we aren't, because we would find them inconvenient. if someone places a high priority on convenience, they'd be an idiot to buy an electric car right now.

Would'a, could'a, shoud'a.

Rent a Tesla for your next 500 mile trip, then your opinion on convenience will be worthy of consideration.

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Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Look up Redwood Materials startup that is developing battery recycling technology. They raised $800M to date, battery recycling will be big business.

Then why not wait until they actually can be recycled to switch? So many startups fail. Down the road they might be recycled, but that takes resources too, so the recycling has to outweigh the output required to recycle. We just aren't close to there yet. It's the same reason ethanol fuel failed -- it turns out that it takes so much to produce it wasn't environmentally friendly due to efficiency failures.

Personally I think developing much more efficient hybrids would be far superior. No one in their right mind wants to road trip a fully electric car, and flying is so bad for the environment. Having the gasoline backup just makes sense.

Yet, millions of people take road trips in their fully electric cars all the time. And surprize! There's even charging infrastructure all over the coutry to support those road trips.

So flying is bad for the environment, but gas cars are fine? OK... sure.

There aren't millions of people in the US WITH electric cars.

I saw it firsthand a couple of years ago -- a DC couple brought their electric car to a beach location 5 hours away. They spent FOREVER trying to locate charging stations, plotting a very specific route, etc. and that was all tossed in the wind when the planned charging stations were broken or had long lines. The whole group was sick to death of hearing about their electric car woes, so much so they didn't get invited back the next year. I'll wait until the infrastructure catches up. And no, I have zero desire to "rent a Tesla." What an out of touch suggestion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You people claiming the demise of gas engine is imminent are wrong. Did Apple kill the mechanical watch? I think there’s always going to be a desire for gas cars.

I also don’t understand what the world does with all the used batteries once these electric cars are obsolete? Sounds like a highly toxic mess?

At the low end of the market mechanical watches are dead, killed by the Apple watch and cell phones. Only mechanical segment watch that is still afloat is high end, and in that case it is more akin to jewelry than a time measuring device. Do you know many people under 30 that have a mechanical watch?

The correct analogy is the transition from dumb phones to smart phones. It took about 5 years. Of course cars will take longer but it will happen. Many studies predict that it will happen by the end of the decade.

The batteries will be recycled.

Bullsh*t.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

Look up Redwood Materials startup that is developing battery recycling technology. They raised $800M to date, battery recycling will be big business.

Then why not wait until they actually can be recycled to switch? So many startups fail. Down the road they might be recycled, but that takes resources too, so the recycling has to outweigh the output required to recycle. We just aren't close to there yet. It's the same reason ethanol fuel failed -- it turns out that it takes so much to produce it wasn't environmentally friendly due to efficiency failures.

Personally I think developing much more efficient hybrids would be far superior. No one in their right mind wants to road trip a fully electric car, and flying is so bad for the environment. Having the gasoline backup just makes sense.

Yet, millions of people take road trips in their fully electric cars all the time. And surprize! There's even charging infrastructure all over the coutry to support those road trips.

So flying is bad for the environment, but gas cars are fine? OK... sure.

There aren't millions of people in the US WITH electric cars.

I saw it firsthand a couple of years ago -- a DC couple brought their electric car to a beach location 5 hours away. They spent FOREVER trying to locate charging stations, plotting a very specific route, etc. and that was all tossed in the wind when the planned charging stations were broken or had long lines. The whole group was sick to death of hearing about their electric car woes, so much so they didn't get invited back the next year. I'll wait until the infrastructure catches up. And no, I have zero desire to "rent a Tesla." What an out of touch suggestion.

Before you embarrass yourself further:

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/26/tesla-model-3-has-passed-1-million-sales/

[Anonymous]

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There aren't millions of people in the US WITH electric cars.

I saw it firsthand a couple of years ago -- a DC couple brought their electric car to a beach location 5 hours away. They spent FOREVER trying to locate charging stations, plotting a very specific route, etc. and that was all tossed in the wind when the planned charging stations were broken or had long lines. The whole group was sick to death of hearing about their electric car woes, so much so they didn't get invited back the next year. I'll wait until the infrastructure catches up. And no, I have zero desire to "rent a Tesla." What an out of touch suggestion.

You are so hilarious with your made up stories about how bad electric cars are. Ahhh, the mythical non-stop trip of 500 miles that turns out its more of 400 miles. Then the people with bad electric car experience. First it's the neighbor, then your mom (lol at the meme), then the acquaintance couple on the beach trip that were socially ostracized due to their car woes (oh no, I dont want that to happen to me, lol!!!)

On top of that you have absolutly no real life experience with electric cars, know nothing about battery recycling, car market, renewable energy, but feel entitled to quip these thought gems as if they are intellectual treasures.

You sweet, cute, precious, little, troll you!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

There aren't millions of people in the US WITH electric cars.

I saw it firsthand a couple of years ago -- a DC couple brought their electric car to a beach location 5 hours away. They spent FOREVER trying to locate charging stations, plotting a very specific route, etc. and that was all tossed in the wind when the planned charging stations were broken or had long lines. The whole group was sick to death of hearing about their electric car woes, so much so they didn't get invited back the next year. I'll wait until the infrastructure catches up. And no, I have zero desire to "rent a Tesla." What an out of touch suggestion.

You are so hilarious with your made up stories about how bad electric cars are. Ahhh, the mythical non-stop trip of 500 miles that turns out its more of 400 miles. Then the people with bad electric car experience. First it's the neighbor, then your mom (lol at the meme), then the acquaintance couple on the beach trip that were socially ostracized due to their car woes (oh no, I dont want that to happen to me, lol!!!)

On top of that you have absolutly no real life experience with electric cars, know nothing about battery recycling, car market, renewable energy, but feel entitled to quip these thought gems as if they are intellectual treasures.

You sweet, cute, precious, little, troll you!

You are so naive and stupid. The story above DID IN FACT happen. I was there. The couple was a PITA. They weren't ostracized because of the electric car, but because of their ridiculous behavior over it. But it obviously wasn't convenient.

I don't have any neighbors or a mother with an electric car. Funnily enough, you think only one person on DCUM isn't fond of electric cars! What a clown.

As of the end of 2020, there were 1.74 million electric cars sold in the US, BTW. "Millions" is plural. There aren't millions in the US. There is currently no battery recycling. You are making yourself look more of a fool than you actually are, hard as that may be to do.

[Anonymous]

It's 2021, there are over 2 million electric cars in US, does that satisfy your thirst for gramatical accuracy?

I know there is only one person behind the anti EV posts, because I can't imagine there is another person making arguments as dumb as yours.

You are truly unique in this respect.

[Anonymous]

I just read Bill Gates's climate change book. He recommends buying electric, primarily to show companies that there's demand. That's GREAT, and part of me wishes I'd done so over hybrid, but there are still things that need to be done to make electric the 100% no-brainer choice.

Until that happens, responses to this Q will be all over the map.

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Yes!

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Come on dude, are you that lame with those sock puppet posts?

Sigh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's 2021, there are over 2 million electric cars in US, does that satisfy your thirst for gramatical accuracy?

I know there is only one person behind the anti EV posts, because I can't imagine there is another person making arguments as dumb as yours.

You are truly unique in this respect.

It might, if you knew how to spell "grammatical."

I hope the other posters you are referring to (the neighborhood ones and the one whose mom bought an EC) are laughing at you as much as I am.

The figures aren't out yet for 2021. It's still 2021. But if there ARE, I doubt very much every single one of them has road-tripped with their electric cars. Many people aren't traveling because of COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:It's 2021, there are over 2 million electric cars in US, does that satisfy your thirst for gramatical accuracy?

I know there is only one person behind the anti EV posts, because I can't imagine there is another person making arguments as dumb as yours.

You are truly unique in this respect.

It might, if you knew how to spell "grammatical."

I hope the other posters you are referring to (the neighborhood ones and the one whose mom bought an EC) are laughing at you as much as I am.

The figures aren't out yet for 2021. It's still 2021. But if there ARE, I doubt very much every single one of them has road-tripped with their electric cars. Many people aren't traveling because of COVID.

BTW, following up -- feel free to ask Jeff if we are the same. PLEASE do!

[Anonymous]

ok Jeff, as much as I enjoy making fun of you, I got something else to do.

Meanwhile, please post more about your 500 mile trip and how terrible electric cars are based on the experience of your mom (lol, it never gets old).