Superintendent's Recommendation for Richard Montgomery ES #5 Boundaries

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There's no way parents in the rest of the cluster will vote on the name "Hungerford ES" after this debacle.

I vote for Alternative D and some other name as well. D at least makes some attempt for FARMs diversity without being too disruptive for communities. No other option does that. E does it, but without involving TB.

Yes, except it royally screws the most vulnerable of the ES - TB losing Title 1 status.

MCPS is supposed to share what exact resources TB will lose by going to 50% FARMs from 70%. I am not aware of of exact details and if anyone can share it it will help.

Title 1 status provides extra funding from the federal government for such schools. I don't know how much money we are talking about though. For mcps, they also provide additional services and smaller class sizes. Big thing for high poverty schools imo.

They sent an email around to the Boundary Advisory Committee with the information today.

Losing Title One means the loss of extra $ that is provided for use beyond smaller class size. TITLE I $ can (and is) used at Twinbrook for free/subsidized before/after care at the Twinbrook Community Center as well as free/subsidized summer came and enrichment programs. MCPS does not offer this to their "FOCUS" schools.

Anonymous wrote:Title one school has extra funding of $3000 per student, which translates to smaller classes

Thanks. I didn't know the details. It looks like D is bad for Twinbrook students. They need all the help they can get.

E is the only option left which does anything for FARMs diversity, but I think it's simply keeps all FARMs students within their current schools and not really getting them from other schools. Still better than any other alternative.

After a serious attempt to look for FARMs diversity in RM cluster, I hope MCPS keeps it in mind to apply in all clusters as much as possible. Some clusters it's not possible because every school is either too high or too low in FARMs. Hopefully Woodward boundaries will keep this in account.

And what about the other factors? Are you saying FARMs rate distribution is more important than proximity?

No all factors are equally important and that's why I don't like option C which takes away any importance for proximity and only cares about FARMs.

I thought D did make a decent balance by not moving too many zones to keep proximity and also providing FARMs distribution. After knowing the details about TB, I will still sacrifice FARMs distribution here and abandon option D as well.

Now we are left with E, which does a lip service Are you saying that only proximity should be a factor and no attention to FARMs distribution should be paid? Balance of these two was in option D, which can't be picked due to hardship faced by TB. E does just a lip service to FARMs distribution and mainly focuses on on proximity.

Do you want to totally ignore FARMs distribution by saying that let's put all rich and poor in two different areas because only thing matters is proximity? That's the only wya you can justify option B.

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Thanks for adding this details here. It's always good to know all details. Twinbrook should keep it's boundary. Not sure why E is not the choice of everyone here? I do think most folks don't want to change schools, but that's a short sighted way to look at things. No one likes to change schools mid way, but new boundary means doing it the best possible way and change. I watched the last night testimony and I saw a large group simply advocating for not wanting to change their current schools. It was very disappointing to see so many only thinking about their kids for the next few years. Understandable , but disappointing.

It's not just about "I don't want to move school". For some, it's about "the commute is too far", which is true in some cases.

I looked at the map and I am fully aware of all roads. I don't see too many zones being impacted herer

For example, I saw probably 60-70 folks from WG. I don't see any difference in their commute. Whenever anyone from WG talked, lots of people clapped. That was a sad part.

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The commute times are out. RP5 would face a 12 minute drive to RMES5 instead of a 10 minute drive to RPES.

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Anonymous wrote:Title one school has extra funding of $3000 per student, which translates to smaller classes

ooh la la. grab those federal funds MoCo. never mind your students can't think, talk, or discuss anything not via chromebook chatroom.

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Anonymous wrote:The commute times are out. RP5 would face a 12 minute drive to RMES5 instead of a 10 minute drive to RPES.

where are u seeing this?

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If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

If you don't believe those times , do you believe the walkability of RP2 to RMES#5 ?

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

I am actually fully familiar with all roads in this area due to my job.

What's your estimate for additional time for Fallsgrove to Rm#5 when compared to RP?

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Anonymous wrote:Because some people can't stand that RP might be 7% FARMs even if that means that other zones have to go to school further out.

It's not really that people can't stand RP at 7%, it's more about RPES not serving its cluster the best it can. The FARMS students that they serve now are not welcome to stay even though this scenario is best for the cluster.

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Anonymous wrote:The B5N/S split is Jefferson, a 4-lane road.

Hungerford did a decent job at trying to chop up other neighborhoods in their proposal to get hungerford's farms numbers down. Now that a better option for themselves is on the table (option E) they are even willing to ban their own neighbors from their school. I watched the video of the board meeting when the superindendents recommendation first came out, the board specifically called these hungerford people out about emailing the board and complaining about home values. Imagine if hungerford had an option for 7% farms.

I REALLY hope people are contacting the board and asking them how HCA can chop up neighborhoods and show a plan that takes away 8 others and puts us all in this circus. And then has the BALLS to no longer support it's own option B because option E is more appealing to them - while shocker, pushes RP2/6 out of their school and B5 in to create less diversity and FARMS. The one thing they said was the driving force behind their proposal.

The option doesn't push RP2/6 out of their school, it keeps them in their current school.

Unfortunately for you your neighborhood doesn't have the capacity to warrant an ES , hence you were given an RP5 ( sucks for them ) and RP2 ( they seem to be ok with the set up).
Think again what would happen to your school should RP2 to go to RM5 and RP2 to their neighboring school. the board will have to bus another overcapacity neighborhood to your "Practically Potomac" school.

I personally want RP out of the cluster . The vocal ( and misguided) minority here seem to not understand the purpose of a cluster.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

I am actually fully familiar with all roads in this area due to my job.

What's your estimate for additional time for Fallsgrove to Rm#5 when compared to RP?

Not PP here, but I estimate 12-15 minutes traffic RP5 to RP and 15-20 to RMES5, depending on whether the light at Falls Rd is red. The time to make the left onto Edmonston is about the same as the time to make the left onto Dunster. The time from Falls Rd to Edmonston and Edmonston to RMES5 is probably 5 minutes more than the time down Falls rd to Dunster (common to hit lees at Kersey). The variable is whether the bus could make a right on red at Falls vs waiting to cross

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There's no way parents in the rest of the cluster will vote on the name "Hungerford ES" after this debacle.

I vote for Alternative D and some other name as well. D at least makes some attempt for FARMs diversity without being too disruptive for communities. No other option does that. E does it, but without involving TB.

Yes, except it royally screws the most vulnerable of the ES - TB losing Title 1 status.

MCPS is supposed to share what exact resources TB will lose by going to 50% FARMs from 70%. I am not aware of of exact details and if anyone can share it it will help.

Title 1 status provides extra funding from the federal government for such schools. I don't know how much money we are talking about though. For mcps, they also provide additional services and smaller class sizes. Big thing for high poverty schools imo.

They also get more highly trained teachers, free summer school, and they have been piloting a new curriculum which one of the parents noted last night. Any students bussed to a different school will lose all of those services plus the new curriculum.

As Twinbrook and the cluster reps repeatedly stated last night, what they need is not lower FARMS and a broken up community but a RENOVATES building. Their building is in serious disrepair and MCPS has repeatedly passed over Twinbrook for renovations for years. With the new Rev/Ex system, Twinbrook keeps losing out, AND one of the new data points for priority on renovations is capacity issues, which Twinbrook definitely won't have if a bunch of their students get taken away.

When writing to the BoE, asking for Twinbrook to get its renovations is a concrete way of ACTUALLY helping the students at Twinbrook instead of calling them a failing school and trying to split them all up.

Thanks for adding this details here. It's always good to know all details. Twinbrook should keep it's boundary. Not sure why E is not the choice of everyone here? I do think most folks don't want to change schools, but that's a short sighted way to look at things. No one likes to change schools mid way, but new boundary means doing it the best possible way and change. I watched the last night testimony and I saw a large group simply advocating for not wanting to change their current schools. It was very disappointing to see so many only thinking about their kids for the next few years. Understandable , but disappointing.

Why don't you try driving from the Fallsgrove Safeway to RM ES #5 at 8:30 a.m. on a weekday. Then you can tell us why Option E is not popular.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

I am actually fully familiar with all roads in this area due to my job.

What's your estimate for additional time for Fallsgrove to Rm#5 when compared to RP?

Not PP here, but I estimate 12-15 minutes traffic RP5 to RP and 15-20 to RMES5, depending on whether the light at Falls Rd is red. The time to make the left onto Edmonston is about the same as the time to make the left onto Dunster. The time from Falls Rd to Edmonston and Edmonston to RMES5 is probably 5 minutes more than the time down Falls rd to Dunster (common to hit lees at Kersey). The variable is whether the bus could make a right on red at Falls vs waiting to cross

The intersection of Edmonston and Wotten pkwy is pretty messed , they better study it and add a lane.

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe those commute times I have some free land in Russia for you. Don't be naive about traffic in this area.

I am actually fully familiar with all roads in this area due to my job.

What's your estimate for additional time for Fallsgrove to Rm#5 when compared to RP?

Not PP here, but I estimate 12-15 minutes traffic RP5 to RP and 15-20 to RMES5, depending on whether the light at Falls Rd is red. The time to make the left onto Edmonston is about the same as the time to make the left onto Dunster. The time from Falls Rd to Edmonston and Edmonston to RMES5 is probably 5 minutes more than the time down Falls rd to Dunster (common to hit lees at Kersey). The variable is whether the bus could make a right on red at Falls vs waiting to cross

So it will be 3-5 minutes extra.

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Anonymous wrote:The B5N/S split is Jefferson, a 4-lane road.

Hungerford did a decent job at trying to chop up other neighborhoods in their proposal to get hungerford's farms numbers down. Now that a better option for themselves is on the table (option E) they are even willing to ban their own neighbors from their school. I watched the video of the board meeting when the superindendents recommendation first came out, the board specifically called these hungerford people out about emailing the board and complaining about home values. Imagine if hungerford had an option for 7% farms.

I REALLY hope people are contacting the board and asking them how HCA can chop up neighborhoods and show a plan that takes away 8 others and puts us all in this circus. And then has the BALLS to no longer support it's own option B because option E is more appealing to them - while shocker, pushes RP2/6 out of their school and B5 in to create less diversity and FARMS. The one thing they said was the driving force behind their proposal.

What reasons did they give for no longer supporting B?

Hungerford civic is a messenger that simply crunched the numbers before anyone else:
C, D are out ( not practical)
A - doesn't allow for capacity ( which is the point of this whole exercise)
E has by far less disruptive than B

So don't hate the messenger , crunch the number and you shall know.

(btw RP should pray that RP2 stays with them) Next time around the board will join another random neighborhood with RP just to fill up the capacity . RP2 is a known beast and makes the neighborhood look ok.( All of the diversity and ALL of FARMS in RP come from RP2 and RP5)

My 5 cents
-Proud parent of the new and beautiful Hungerford ES

Right here. YOU are the reason I hope A or B gets picked. Your mother f'ing association cherry picked neighborhoods to make B and then E comes out and you go gaga over that and abandon YOUR own changes.

It disrupts B5 who is walkable and sends them on a bus to RM5 down the pike AND RP2 (in your neighborhood) which is 100% walkable gets turned away to keep getting bussed. It also magically makes your FARMS in the teens which is insane considering your closest school across 355 has 70%.

You are disgusting.