That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He obviously had a lot of trouble finding women who were interested in him and was really insecure about it, hence the picture he sent to try to impress his teammates. He went from being a big fish in a little pond at his high school and local swim team to a little fish in a big pond at Stanford. I think this brought out his true colors which nobody from his hometown saw.

He was almost assured of a place on the Olympic team, if he'd not gotten in trouble. He wasn't a little fish in a big pond. He was a big fish in a big pond. He was an important swimmer on one of the most important swim teams in the US at one of the most prestigious schools in the US. A huge part of this is about jock entitlement.

I disagree. At home he was a big deal for his swimming skills and because he was going to Stanford. At Stanford he was just another student athlete, not a standout in any way. I was a swimmer and nobody cares about swimmers until they are Michael Phelps or Mark Spitz caliber. I think most of the Stanford swim team has a chance of making the Olympics and he was not almost assured a spot on the Olympic team. Saying that shows you don't know anything about swimming.

SwimSwam reported that Brock Turner went 1:39 in the 200 free as a freshman. That's five seconds faster than Ryan Lochte's time or Michael Phelps's time, and he's the fastest guy going to the Trials. Turner was crazily fast and would have done very, very well in Rio. Nobody in the general public cares about swimmers. People at Stanford care about swimmers a lot. People who follow swimming news know that.

Brock's time of 1:39 is in yards and I'm sure the times you are talking about for Phelps and Lochte are in meters - huge difference. He isn't even winning small meets with nowhere near the competition of the Olympic trials. He is nowhere near the caliber swimmer that Phelps and Lochte are. https://www.collegeswimming.com/swimmer/179695/

[Anonymous]

I think he got hosed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Are you joking? He is the one who decided to rape an unconscious woman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents. They raised this pig.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter. And I feel empathy only for the victim.

[Anonymous]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/08/in-brock-turners-hometown-were-raising-kids-who-are-never-told-no/

Wow! What place did Brock Turner's hometown remind you of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents. They raised this pig.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter. And I feel empathy only for the victim.

I don't subscribe to the Post. What are they saying about this family? From what I've read they are a typical Midwest family with midwest values who brought their kids up to work hard and do their best. They don't have tons of money, their own parents were of modest means. Their friends seem nice. They did cub scouts and swim team and had Brock's girlfriends over for dinner at least once a week. They were involved and in touch and Brock was a dedicated athlete and straight A student who liked and got along with people who liked him right back.

He had only been away at college for 4 months when this all happened. Before that he had been caught with a beer by campus cops...hardly a major crime. How was he bad person? How were his parents bad people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents. They raised this pig.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter. And I feel empathy only for the victim.

I don't subscribe to the Post. What are they saying about this family? From what I've read they are a typical Midwest family with midwest values who brought their kids up to work hard and do their best. They don't have tons of money, their own parents were of modest means. Their friends seem nice. They did cub scouts and swim team and had Brock's girlfriends over for dinner at least once a week. They were involved and in touch and Brock was a dedicated athlete and straight A student who liked and got along with people who liked him right back.

He had only been away at college for 4 months when this all happened. Before that he had been caught with a beer by campus cops...hardly a major crime. How was he bad person? How were his parents bad people?

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if you think brock is entitled, wait until you learn about the victim

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents. They raised this pig.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter. And I feel empathy only for the victim.

I don't subscribe to the Post. What are they saying about this family? From what I've read they are a typical Midwest family with midwest values who brought their kids up to work hard and do their best. They don't have tons of money, their own parents were of modest means. Their friends seem nice. They did cub scouts and swim team and had Brock's girlfriends over for dinner at least once a week. They were involved and in touch and Brock was a dedicated athlete and straight A student who liked and got along with people who liked him right back.

He had only been away at college for 4 months when this all happened. Before that he had been caught with a beer by campus cops...hardly a major crime. How was he bad person? How were his parents bad people?

Being a star athlete doesn't mean you're a good person, it means you are a dedicated and good athlete. In fact, in many cases it can lead to a feeling of entitlement. He used other various drugs (in addition to the "couple of beers" you mention) in high school, texts were laced with the n word. His friends unabashedly impugned the character of his victim or minimized his crime, as did his parents-poor little Brock can't eat ribeye steak, ffs? a ll of that suggests they were not exactly salt of the earth despite your frankly bizarre aw, shucks attitude/apparent athlete worship.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

It is more unfathomable that a kid who worked so hard to become an accomplished athlete and student, rapes a fellow student and gets a slap on the wrist due to rape culture. Your use of the word humiliating is key and your post reeks of victim blaming and placing a higher worth on Brock's future human condition. It is indeed not smart nor safe to get black out drunk. We all agree. A far cry from making a decision to rape someone. No matter how fast you swim, you aren't swimming away against this angry tide Brock. I don't believe for a second that this was his first offense either. You don't just get drunk and behave this way in 7 seconds. He's a predator raised in a jock, frat, violence against women is OK culture and his own parent's think he did no real wrong. It's time to take a firm stand against this ideology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

DOES NOT MATTER. He decided to become a sexual assaulter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents. They raised this pig.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter. And I feel empathy only for the victim.

I don't subscribe to the Post. What are they saying about this family? From what I've read they are a typical Midwest family with midwest values who brought their kids up to work hard and do their best. They don't have tons of money, their own parents were of modest means. Their friends seem nice. They did cub scouts and swim team and had Brock's girlfriends over for dinner at least once a week. They were involved and in touch and Brock was a dedicated athlete and straight A student who liked and got along with people who liked him right back.

He had only been away at college for 4 months when this all happened. Before that he had been caught with a beer by campus cops...hardly a major crime. How was he bad person? How were his parents bad people?

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if you think brock is entitled, wait until you learn about the victim

I don't think this is who is more entitled. They both are above middle class. It's who was convicted for raping.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think he got hosed

I do too. I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control.

Sounds like you and Brock would get along.

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people. I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation. Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices. All those evenings and weekends spent at meets. Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot. All that work meaningless now. I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling. They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards - behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial. She has been through hell. But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost. It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture. It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this. But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents. They raised this pig.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter. And I feel empathy only for the victim.

I don't subscribe to the Post. What are they saying about this family? From what I've read they are a typical Midwest family with midwest values who brought their kids up to work hard and do their best. They don't have tons of money, their own parents were of modest means. Their friends seem nice. They did cub scouts and swim team and had Brock's girlfriends over for dinner at least once a week. They were involved and in touch and Brock was a dedicated athlete and straight A student who liked and got along with people who liked him right back.

He had only been away at college for 4 months when this all happened. Before that he had been caught with a beer by campus cops...hardly a major crime. How was he bad person? How were his parents bad people?

Being a star athlete doesn't mean you're a good person, it means you are a dedicated and good athlete. In fact, in many cases it can lead to a feeling of entitlement. He used other various drugs (in addition to the "couple of beers" you mention) in high school, texts were laced with the n word. His friends unabashedly impugned the character of his victim or minimized his crime, as did his parents-poor little Brock can't eat ribeye steak, ffs? a ll of that suggests they were not exactly salt of the earth despite your frankly bizarre aw, shucks attitude/apparent athlete worship.

I think that what they are saying is that Brock is suffering. They have pointed out ways that Brock has changed - like his loss of appetite, his disinterest in favorite foods, his weight loss, his inability to smile now. If you had teenage boys you would know how important food is to them and having them lose their appetite is a very alarming and unhealthy change.

He said the "n" word in HS and experimented with alcohol and drugs and talked "cool" about drugs in some of his texts. I'm not seeing heavy drug addict or heavy drinker in this kid.

His friends/family probably know more about this victim than we do. So I can not comment on the character of this victim. Obviously no one deserves to be sexually assaulted. But maybe those folks have doubts that that happened. I know that the jury was convinced otherwise.