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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think he got hosed[/quote]

I do too.  I think this kid is being punished in part for things that happened that were completely out of his control. [/quote]

Sounds like you and Brock would get along. [/quote]

His supporters aren't horrible people, in fact, I think they seem like really nice people.  I know more about Brock and his family and friends than I know about the victim in this situation.  Right now I am finding it unfathomable that this kid chucked so much of his life down the toilet in the span of 7 short minutes. All those early morning and after school swim practices.  All those evenings and weekends spent at meets.  Becoming one of the best and having a shot at the Olympics and straight A's at school to boot.  All that work meaningless now.  I understand the disbelief that his parents are feeling.  They are reeling.

I feel for the humiliation and hurt that this victim endured that night and afterwards -  behind that dumpster and at the hospital and during the trial.  She has been through hell.  But I do not think that Brock is 100% responsible for the humiliation and hurt that she has endured...I do feel as though he is getting 100% of the blame for it though.

I plan to talk to my own kids about this about the ways that both Emily and Brock screwed up and what they both have lost.  It is not o.k. to sexually touch a passed out person or take their picture.  It is also not o.k. to get black out drunk to the point where you can not take care of yourself, can't remember what you did or what happened to you and pass out in the dirt with God only who knows nearby.

There are lots of lessons to learn from this.  But, yes, I can feel great empathy for both sides.

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I do not feel ANY empathy for Brock's situation or his parents.  They raised this pig.  
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/10/why-parents-see-their-kids-in-the-stanford-attacker-not-his-victim/

I have a son and a daughter.  And I feel empathy only for the victim. [/quote]

I don't subscribe to the Post.  What are they saying about this family?  From what I've read they are a typical Midwest family with midwest values who brought their kids up to work hard and do their best.  They don't have tons of money, their own parents were of modest means.  Their friends seem nice.  They did cub scouts and swim team and had Brock's girlfriends over for dinner at least once a week.  They were involved and in touch and Brock was a dedicated athlete and straight A student who liked and got along with people who liked him right back.

He had only been away at college for 4 months when this all happened.  Before that he had been caught with a beer by campus cops...hardly a major crime.  How was he bad person?  How were his parents bad people?  [/quote]

Being a star athlete doesn't mean you're a good person, it means you are a dedicated and good athlete. In fact, in many cases it  can lead to a feeling of entitlement. He used other various drugs (in addition to the "couple of beers" you mention) in high school, texts were laced with the n word. His friends unabashedly impugned the character of his victim or minimized his crime, as did his parents-poor little Brock can't eat ribeye steak, ffs? a ll of that suggests they were not exactly salt of the earth despite your frankly bizarre aw, shucks attitude/apparent athlete worship. [/quote]

I think that what they are saying is that Brock is suffering.  They have pointed out ways that Brock has changed - like his loss of appetite, his disinterest in favorite foods, his weight loss, his inability to smile now.  If you had teenage boys you would know how important food is to them and having them lose their appetite is a very alarming and unhealthy change.

He said the "n" word in HS and experimented with alcohol and drugs and talked "cool" about drugs in some of his texts.  I'm not seeing heavy drug addict or heavy drinker in this kid.

His friends/family probably know more about this victim than we do.  So I can not comment on the character of this victim.  Obviously no one deserves to be sexually assaulted.  But maybe those folks have doubts that that happened.  I know that the jury was convinced otherwise.[/quote]

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