Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Someone knew the housekeeper would be there until 3. Someone knew the Mom would be there. Someone knew what time the boy would be home after school. Someone knew Dad wasn't expected home until 7. Someone knew about the security system.

SOMEONE KNEW A LOT OF THINGS. How can this be random ?

I'm finding it hard to swallow reading the new details. It gets more horrific by the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now I think it was strangers. The police reports of people knocking on doors and the vacuum cleaner salesman, and the fact that Mr. S was not there when they got there. Things seem to have been so unplanned and disorganized. It seems like some drug-addled ex-con group that just thought hey let's rob a rich house and then things just went horribly wrong. So unspeakable.

It seems like they thought that if they gave the attackers what they wanted, it would stop, which is so heartbreaking. Obviously any parent would give any amount of money to make it stop. That's what makes it seem personal, but I just can't imagine that a personal attack would not have been planned better.

And if anyone ever breaks into my house, I plan to fight like they are going to kill me from the beginning--do not get tied up without a fight, yell into the phone for help, whatever it takes, assuming all along that you are not getting out of it alive and might as well fight.

This reminds me of that case in Richmond where the family (parents and two little girls) was murdered by two thugs from Anacostia and the house was burned after the family killed. I think this is going to be a gang of low lifes from southeast or PG county. Maybe posing as repairmen or something like that. People with absolutely no regard for human life.

I am sickened by the news about the little boy. What kind of world do we live in? just barbaric. Rest in peace little one.

[Anonymous]

A law enforcement source tell WUSA9's Bruce Leshan that detectives now believe the killers tortured the 10-year-old boy, Phillip Savopoulos, in the effort to get money out of his father.

Police believe the killers were in the house for about 10 hours, and that they successfully forced the Savopoulos family to get them tens of thousands of dollars. Someone may have actually had to go out and get the cash while the rest of the family and their housekeeper were held hostage.

At one point, the killers may have ordered pizza. Two clerks at a Domino's Pizza tell WUSA9 that a delivery person came to the house.

Metropolitan Police Department Chief Cathy Lanier has confirmed that three of the four victims were beaten or stabbed before the killers set fire to the almost $5 million mansion on Woodland Drive near the National Cathedral.

http://www.wusa9.com/story/news/local/2015/05/20/savopoulis-10-year-old-boy-tortured-before-murders-and-fire-in-dc/27643991/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone knew the housekeeper would be there until 3. Someone knew the Mom would be there. Someone knew what time the boy would be home after school. Someone knew Dad wasn't expected home until 7. Someone knew about the security system.

SOMEONE KNEW A LOT OF THINGS. How can this be random ?

I'm finding it hard to swallow reading the new details. It gets more horrific by the day.

Why would they need to know the housekeeper would be there until 3 or any other details to make this work? They could have just knocked hoping that someone would be home and then forced their way in. Of course there was a security system--it's a fancy neighborhood. They could have forced the family to disable it or have done so from outside with a little knowledge about how to do so (experienced burglars might know).

[Anonymous]

I would think that maybe the bucket had gasoline in it used to torch the Porche?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would think that maybe the bucket had gasoline in it used to torch the Porche?

Why not just leave it in the car?? I'm thinking it's something(s) he collected at the house in that bucket..too many things to fit into his pockets

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone knew the housekeeper would be there until 3. Someone knew the Mom would be there. Someone knew what time the boy would be home after school. Someone knew Dad wasn't expected home until 7. Someone knew about the security system.

SOMEONE KNEW A LOT OF THINGS. How can this be random ?

I'm finding it hard to swallow reading the new details. It gets more horrific by the day.

Why would they need to know the housekeeper would be there until 3 or any other details to make this work? They could have just knocked hoping that someone would be home and then forced their way in. Of course there was a security system--it's a fancy neighborhood. They could have forced the family to disable it or have done so from outside with a little knowledge about how to do so (experienced burglars might know).

How many perps intentionally break into a home expecting that many people unless they know there will be that many people ? There was no forced entry according to the police.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would think that maybe the bucket had gasoline in it used to torch the Porche?

Why not just leave it in the car?? I'm thinking it's something(s) he collected at the house in that bucket..too many things to fit into his pockets

Perhaps he had a small amount of gas in the bucket to burn his clothing, which may have had blood on them. He may have hid a change of clothing behind the church out of camera range...?

[Anonymous]

I am wondering how media now knows that the victims were bound and threatened? I could understand bound (marks on wrists, etc) but threatened? No one is left that could say what happened in the house during those hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone knew the housekeeper would be there until 3. Someone knew the Mom would be there. Someone knew what time the boy would be home after school. Someone knew Dad wasn't expected home until 7. Someone knew about the security system.

SOMEONE KNEW A LOT OF THINGS. How can this be random ?

I'm finding it hard to swallow reading the new details. It gets more horrific by the day.

Why would they need to know the housekeeper would be there until 3 or any other details to make this work? They could have just knocked hoping that someone would be home and then forced their way in. Of course there was a security system--it's a fancy neighborhood. They could have forced the family to disable it or have done so from outside with a little knowledge about how to do so (experienced burglars might know).

How many perps intentionally break into a home expecting that many people unless they know there will be that many people ? There was no forced entry according to the police.

I don't think these are very good criminals. I think violent, perhaps on drugs. You can just knock on the door, someone answers and you walk in. Forced entry means a window or door was broken. It doesn't mean that they didn't force their way in once someone answered the door.

[Anonymous]

The police have indicated repeatedly they believe the suspects had familiarity with the Savopoulos's daily lives.

[Anonymous]

I haven't watched TV news today but I am intrigued by the way the police are releasing information. Obviously (hopefully) they know a lot more than they are telling, but is there a strategy so to speak, in the timing and manner that specific details are being made known? Do they have to provide it in this tid-bit format, a little at a time? Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The police have indicated repeatedly they believe the suspects had familiarity with the Savopoulos's daily lives.

I am starting to think that is just for public panic control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone knew the housekeeper would be there until 3. Someone knew the Mom would be there. Someone knew what time the boy would be home after school. Someone knew Dad wasn't expected home until 7. Someone knew about the security system.

SOMEONE KNEW A LOT OF THINGS. How can this be random ?

I'm finding it hard to swallow reading the new details. It gets more horrific by the day.

Why would they need to know the housekeeper would be there until 3 or any other details to make this work? They could have just knocked hoping that someone would be home and then forced their way in. Of course there was a security system--it's a fancy neighborhood. They could have forced the family to disable it or have done so from outside with a little knowledge about how to do so (experienced burglars might know).

How many perps intentionally break into a home expecting that many people unless they know there will be that many people ? There was no forced entry according to the police.

I don't think these are very good criminals. I think violent, perhaps on drugs. You can just knock on the door, someone answers and you walk in. Forced entry means a window or door was broken. It doesn't mean that they didn't force their way in once someone answered the door.

I doubt they were on drugs. How could they keep it up for 10 hours without slipping up and calling attention to the crime. They had to be fully present to pull this off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The police have indicated repeatedly they believe the suspects had familiarity with the Savopoulos's daily lives.

I am starting to think that is just for public panic control.

I think they had to know there whereabouts. Too random not to have been.